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So the free trail is restricted. I think they should make that a bit clearer on the sign-up page.
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Jonny Rocca
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-17 16:52:54 UTC
And NOT give you ships at the end of a storyline tutorial, the Iteron, that you cannot train to fly untill you pay for the full game.Straight

This is probably been gone over 1000s of times before, but nowhere during signup does it say the game is restricted to certain ships!
I also cannot see the point of giving a ship away that you cannot fly until you cough up the readies for the full game,whats the point?
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2 - 2012-07-17 16:58:50 UTC
That's the whole point of a free trial. To entice you to subscribe to the full game. Be glad the game even has a free trial available, many games don't have demo versions at all.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#3 - 2012-07-17 17:02:31 UTC
There might be a thing or two missing from here but this should be most of it:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations

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Jonny Rocca
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-07-17 17:10:32 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
There might be a thing or two missing from here but this should be most of it:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations


Yeah, but I would wager around 5%, max, would read that, or even see it before signing up!


Trial account characters can not:

Post on the forums

So how come I can then?

Its not really a biggy, as I intend to sign up anyway, but it would be nice if newbies, such as myself, could read this before signing up.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#5 - 2012-07-17 17:12:55 UTC
Working as intended. Giving you an indy ship at the end of the tutorial mission serves a few purposes. It alerts brand new players to the existence of industrials...an entire class of ship they may not have realized even existed.

To a brand new player, the fact that a ship class exists that is tailor made for hauling, rather than combat, speaks to the fact that EVE can be played in many different ways.

A player who might not be too keen on combat but sees the potential for the economic aspect might be encouraged to subscribe when they see this shiny new industrial ship and picture what they can do with it and how easy it would be to train for.



It worked on me when I was a new player. I subscribed only 4 days after being on my free trial because I wanted to fly those industrials sooner rather than later.

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Jonny Rocca
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-17 17:32:20 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Working as intended. Giving you an indy ship at the end of the tutorial mission serves a few purposes. It alerts brand new players to the existence of industrials...an entire class of ship they may not have realized even existed.

To a brand new player, the fact that a ship class exists that is tailor made for hauling, rather than combat, speaks to the fact that EVE can be played in many different ways.

A player who might not be too keen on combat but sees the potential for the economic aspect might be encouraged to subscribe when they see this shiny new industrial ship and picture what they can do with it and how easy it would be to train for.



It worked on me when I was a new player. I subscribed only 4 days after being on my free trial because I wanted to fly those industrials sooner rather than later.


Yep, understand you. I am signing up this weekend. Would have done it today, but the amount of work I have got for rest of the week, till Friday, says I won't be online much anyway Cry
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#7 - 2012-07-17 17:37:14 UTC
You can only post in this new player section.

See? that's what I mean by them having missed a few things on that list xD

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#8 - 2012-07-17 17:55:06 UTC
Certain skills aren't trainable on trial accounts because CCP doesn't want someone to be able to start a new trial, train an industrial (for example), use it for a couple weeks, then trash the account and start another free trial. Considering you can train the skills to fly an Industrial in under a day (I think), no one would ever need to pay for a second account to haul their crap around (barring freighters, of course).

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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#9 - 2012-07-17 18:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoe Athame
Jonny Rocca wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
There might be a thing or two missing from here but this should be most of it:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations


Yeah, but I would wager around 5%, max, would read that, or even see it before signing up!


Trial account characters can not:

Post on the forums

So how come I can then?

Its not really a biggy, as I intend to sign up anyway, but it would be nice if newbies, such as myself, could read this before signing up.


Just wondering, but if you did see it ahead of time would you say "Nah, i guess I won't try EVE after all since I can't train to fly indy ships on the trial... whatever those are"

The trial limitations are so veteran players can't abuse free accounts, not to restrict content from new players.
Jonny Rocca
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-17 18:39:51 UTC
Zoe Athame wrote:
Jonny Rocca wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
There might be a thing or two missing from here but this should be most of it:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations


Yeah, but I would wager around 5%, max, would read that, or even see it before signing up!


Trial account characters can not:

Post on the forums

So how come I can then?

Its not really a biggy, as I intend to sign up anyway, but it would be nice if newbies, such as myself, could read this before signing up.


Just wondering, but if you did see it ahead of time would you say "Nah, i guess I won't try EVE after all since I can't train to fly indy ships on the trial... whatever those are"


Still would have tried EVE, but at least I wouldn't have bothered buying the Gallente Industrial book for over 200,000 ISK knowing I could not do the training.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-07-17 18:49:15 UTC
Jonny Rocca wrote:
And NOT give you ships at the end of a storyline tutorial, the Iteron, that you cannot train to fly untill you pay for the full game.Straight

This is probably been gone over 1000s of times before, but nowhere during signup does it say the game is restricted to certain ships!
I also cannot see the point of giving a ship away that you cannot fly until you cough up the readies for the full game,whats the point?


That's cause not every tutorial runner is a trial account.
I never did a trial account, I subscribed for one month to see if I liked it. So could use the indy ship straight away.

Also, works as intended.

You can't use it cause, ANYTHING that will suit a new player / trial account will suit a veteran even MORE.

Giving trial accounts the ability of using haulers means ANY player in EVE could make unlimited trial accounts do to their hauling for them.

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Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#12 - 2012-07-17 18:58:02 UTC
Jonny Rocca wrote:
Zoe Athame wrote:
Jonny Rocca wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
There might be a thing or two missing from here but this should be most of it:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations


Yeah, but I would wager around 5%, max, would read that, or even see it before signing up!


Trial account characters can not:

Post on the forums

So how come I can then?

Its not really a biggy, as I intend to sign up anyway, but it would be nice if newbies, such as myself, could read this before signing up.


Just wondering, but if you did see it ahead of time would you say "Nah, i guess I won't try EVE after all since I can't train to fly indy ships on the trial... whatever those are"


Still would have tried EVE, but at least I wouldn't have bothered buying the Gallente Industrial book for over 200,000 ISK knowing I could not do the training.


It might seem like a lot early on, but the 200k is a drop in the ocean compared to what you'll be making even a couple weeks into the game.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#13 - 2012-07-17 19:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
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That's the whole point of a free trial. To entice you to subscribe to the full game. Be glad the game even has a free trial available, many games don't have demo versions at all.

The reason that ships are restricted isn't to entice people to buy the game, stop kidding yourself. The restriction was put in place a couple years ago because botters could create trial accounts and grind courier missions in cheap industrials to make not-insignificant money and then just make new accounts when the old trials got banned.


OP: It's just the unfortunate side effect of CCP's war on botters, which used to be a rather massive problem. Fortunately 200K ISK is pretty much trivial even for new players so you aren't particularly out much. If you do the Sisters of EVE epic arc (pretty much the expanded tutorial) You'll end up with some 40+ mil worth of stuff.

Fortunately, there's pretty damn near nothing you would need an industrial ship for in your trial days.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-17 19:19:58 UTC
Uh... You know what it says on the gallente industrial skill book when you look at the description tab:

"Skill at operating Gallente industrial ships. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts."

You can see that without buying it.

In fact that little piece of info is tagged to thousands of skill books.

If you dont plan on doing a lot of reading in this game your going to have a lot more complaints like^ this before you sub.

I dont know how many people read before they play but it must be greater the 5%.

Those people who actually do there homework before hand are rewarded greatly by this game.

By the way a lot of people appreciate the depth and complexity of this game because they have to think and research before they act. It isn't straight up complete task receive bacon.

Also you could have put out a cheaper buy order and waited if you didnt want to pay 2oo k for the book

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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#15 - 2012-07-17 19:59:23 UTC
Lyric Lahnder wrote:
Uh... You know what it says on the gallente industrial skill book when you look at the description tab:

"Skill at operating Gallente industrial ships. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts."

You can see that without buying it.

In fact that little piece of info is tagged to thousands of skill books.

If you dont plan on doing a lot of reading in this game your going to have a lot more complaints like^ this before you sub.

I dont know how many people read before they play but it must be greater the 5%.

Those people who actually do there homework before hand are rewarded greatly by this game.

By the way a lot of people appreciate the depth and complexity of this game because they have to think and research before they act. It isn't straight up complete task receive bacon.

Also you could have put out a cheaper buy order and waited if you didnt want to pay 2oo k for the book


Agree with everything above. This is a good lesson to learn early in EVE.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-17 20:29:53 UTC
Jonny Rocca wrote:
And NOT give you ships at the end of a storyline tutorial, the Iteron, that you cannot train to fly untill you pay for the full game.Straight

This is probably been gone over 1000s of times before, but nowhere during signup does it say the game is restricted to certain ships!
I also cannot see the point of giving a ship away that you cannot fly until you cough up the readies for the full game,whats the point?


The trial is meant to get you to buy the game, not just to give you 14-21 days of free game time.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#17 - 2012-07-18 15:34:58 UTC
Limitations are there to discourage bots and gold sellers, there's no other reason for the limits on trial accounts, 2nd reason is likely to reduce alt recycling to more manageable levels.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-07-19 19:03:45 UTC
Wait, it gives an indy or destroyer now?

When I was new, it only gave out a simple Navitas!

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#19 - 2012-07-19 19:10:30 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Wait, it gives an indy or destroyer now?

When I was new, it only gave out a simple Navitas!


Yeah when i started you picked the career before ever seeing your first ship and you only got that agent.

Back then there was only 3, now there are 5 and you can run all of them

Industry gives a Navitas
Business gives an Iteron
Military gives a Atron and a Tristan
New - Advanced Military gives a Catalyst
New - Exploration gives a Navitas and an Imicus at the end

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Oraac Ensor
#20 - 2012-07-20 10:02:42 UTC
Industry gives a Navitas and an Iteron
Business gives an Iteron and a Navitas
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