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Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#1 - 2012-07-16 10:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hestia Mar
As many of us spend a lot of time running L4 missions we tend to know how to fit a ship, what triggers to keep an eye on, and what spawns are coming - especially if we check Eve-Survival before doing the missions.

So...is there no way that CCP can randomise the missions so that we don't quite know what we're going to get when we warp in, and so that afk missioning is either less or completely not possible to do? I mean, last time I did Damsel, I killed a ship, BM'd it, warped out, warped back to the BM at 100km, dropped sentries, and waited until the litte diamond showed me where the Damsel was!

The other possibility is to have many more ship restrictions - so lets have some L4's in which the biggest ship you can take is a BC, or lets have missions that have to be scanned down (the agent says "the location is somewhere in Dodixie system, but you'll need to scan it down"), so there is more interest.

H
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-16 12:09:56 UTC
Um... if you feel so bored... why don't you go and run missions in low sec? All the danger and randomness you can us for...

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Pix Severus
Empty You
#3 - 2012-07-16 14:36:13 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Um... if you feel so bored... why don't you go and run missions in low sec? All the danger and randomness you can us for...


Going into low sec in an expensive mission boat is a bad idea, nevermind the fact that you'll be gate ganked on the way to the mission anyway.

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Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-16 16:08:22 UTC
I certainly like the idea of adding a little more excitement to missions. Variation would be a good way to do it.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2012-07-16 17:43:10 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Um... if you feel so bored... why don't you go and run missions in low sec? All the danger and randomness you can us for...


Going into low sec in an expensive mission boat is a bad idea, nevermind the fact that you'll be gate ganked on the way to the mission anyway.


Confirming that going to low sec is instant death and shouldn't be done under any circumstances.

Or rather:

1) Take a slightly less expensive boat.
2) Learn how to avoid obvious camps.
3) Don't get camped in to a station.
4) Profit.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-16 18:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Um... if you feel so bored... why don't you go and run missions in low sec? All the danger and randomness you can us for...


Going into low sec in an expensive mission boat is a bad idea, nevermind the fact that you'll be gate ganked on the way to the mission anyway.


Confirming that going to low sec is instant death and shouldn't be done under any circumstances.

Or rather:

1) Take a slightly less expensive boat.
2) Learn how to avoid obvious camps.
3) Don't get camped in to a station.
4) Profit.


Maybe he doesn't want to lose a cheap mission boat either. Maybe he wants to take a pvp fit, not do lowsec missions, and not be lol-pwned instead. It's only you that prefer carebears go to lulzsec in mission boats instead of pvp fits so you don't have risks.Roll
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-07-16 19:41:21 UTC
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
I certainly like the idea of adding a little more excitement to missions. Variation would be a good way to do it.

CCP has already done it.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Cray47
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-16 19:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cray47
hey,
I understand that doing the same missions over and over again can be quite frustrating.

However, I am aware that a lot of players including me would get pretty angry if missions were to be randomized.

I remember going to take a shower after agressing whole pockets and sending out drones to kill everything before I was back.
I am sure a lot of drone boat pilots can feel me here.

Regards,
Cray47

[u]Hi[/u]
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-17 08:02:30 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
I certainly like the idea of adding a little more excitement to missions. Variation would be a good way to do it.

CCP has already done it.


Could have fooled me. With the exception of missions like Dread Pirate Scarlet and a couple others, pretty much every mission is identical every time, no matter where or when you do it.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#10 - 2012-07-17 09:03:40 UTC
Cray47 wrote:
hey,
I understand that doing the same missions over and over again can be quite frustrating.

However, I am aware that a lot of players including me would get pretty angry if missions were to be randomized.

I remember going to take a shower after agressing whole pockets and sending out drones to kill everything before I was back.
I am sure a lot of drone boat pilots can feel me here.

Regards,
Cray47


Without starting an argument about play styles and so on, i would say that if you mission that way you're not even playing the game at all - you're just using your broadband connection for the sake of having one...!

My main flies a full T2 fit Navy Domi and I never afk mission - there's even less enjoyment if you don't have any input at all
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-07-17 09:13:58 UTC
there's audiobooks on youtube. just sayin'

I should buy an Ishtar.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-17 11:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Pix Severus wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Um... if you feel so bored... why don't you go and run missions in low sec? All the danger and randomness you can us for...


Going into low sec in an expensive mission boat is a bad idea, nevermind the fact that you'll be gate ganked on the way to the mission anyway.


I went into low sec with expensive mission boat (well, semi-expensive. CNR with a couple of faction items) before. You know what happened? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Zomg!

Even did missions in a brand new Tengu in wartime. I barely got away with it, but it was fun as hell surviving that one :D
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-07-19 13:41:56 UTC
Hestia Mar wrote:
As many of us spend a lot of time running L4 missions we tend to know how to fit a ship, what triggers to keep an eye on, and what spawns are coming - especially if we check Eve-Survival before doing the missions.

So...is there no way that CCP can randomise the missions so that we don't quite know what we're going to get when we warp in, and so that afk missioning is either less or completely not possible to do? I mean, last time I did Damsel, I killed a ship, BM'd it, warped out, warped back to the BM at 100km, dropped sentries, and waited until the litte diamond showed me where the Damsel was!

The other possibility is to have many more ship restrictions - so lets have some L4's in which the biggest ship you can take is a BC, or lets have missions that have to be scanned down (the agent says "the location is somewhere in Dodixie system, but you'll need to scan it down"), so there is more interest.

H

Bad troll
Drones don't fight structures....
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-19 14:58:28 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Hestia Mar wrote:
As many of us spend a lot of time running L4 missions we tend to know how to fit a ship, what triggers to keep an eye on, and what spawns are coming - especially if we check Eve-Survival before doing the missions.

So...is there no way that CCP can randomise the missions so that we don't quite know what we're going to get when we warp in, and so that afk missioning is either less or completely not possible to do? I mean, last time I did Damsel, I killed a ship, BM'd it, warped out, warped back to the BM at 100km, dropped sentries, and waited until the litte diamond showed me where the Damsel was!

The other possibility is to have many more ship restrictions - so lets have some L4's in which the biggest ship you can take is a BC, or lets have missions that have to be scanned down (the agent says "the location is somewhere in Dodixie system, but you'll need to scan it down"), so there is more interest.

H

Bad troll
Drones don't fight structures....



I'm fairly certain you're wrong on this one, brah.

They won't auto-aggress to structures, but they will attack them if you command them to.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#15 - 2012-07-21 05:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Hestia Mar wrote:
As many of us spend a lot of time running L4 missions we tend to know how to fit a ship, what triggers to keep an eye on, and what spawns are coming - especially if we check Eve-Survival before doing the missions.

So...is there no way that CCP can randomise the missions so that we don't quite know what we're going to get when we warp in, and so that afk missioning is either less or completely not possible to do? I mean, last time I did Damsel, I killed a ship, BM'd it, warped out, warped back to the BM at 100km, dropped sentries, and waited until the litte diamond showed me where the Damsel was!

The other possibility is to have many more ship restrictions - so lets have some L4's in which the biggest ship you can take is a BC, or lets have missions that have to be scanned down (the agent says "the location is somewhere in Dodixie system, but you'll need to scan it down"), so there is more interest.

H


About ship restrictions, hell no, those Tengus and Gilas and Ishtars wont be restricted in a meaningful manner, and they'll do the L4s as efficient as a well skilled battleship or sometimes even better (e. Gila/Ishtar vs. Serpentis).

Randomized missions however yes, its about the only way to make grind bearable. I'd say even more omni-tank missions (thus favoring good hulls that can omni-tank) and that mission rats dont have clear damage type (e. Sanshas could start doing explosive/kinetic with missiles, not only em/thermal depending on the spawn).

I mean, where is the challenge when you have eve-survival because rats and their behavior never change?
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#16 - 2012-07-21 07:39:10 UTC
confirming, that grinding is boring.

take a frigate and do some lvl1 missions in lowsec if you're bored and don't want to risk much.
Or go to Serpentis Prime or any other pirate faction hub and do missions there. you can even join a corporation that is doing missions there.

Hisec is anti-social. go to low/nullsec and meet new friends and enemies. start having fun in eve.
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-07-22 11:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Scien Inkunen
Hestia Mar wrote:
As many of us spend a lot of time running L4 missions we tend to know how to fit a ship, what triggers to keep an eye on, and what spawns are coming - especially if we check Eve-Survival before doing the missions.

So...is there no way that CCP can randomise the missions so that we don't quite know what we're going to get when we warp in, and so that afk missioning is either less or completely not possible to do? I mean, last time I did Damsel, I killed a ship, BM'd it, warped out, warped back to the BM at 100km, dropped sentries, and waited until the litte diamond showed me where the Damsel was!

The other possibility is to have many more ship restrictions - so lets have some L4's in which the biggest ship you can take is a BC, or lets have missions that have to be scanned down (the agent says "the location is somewhere in Dodixie system, but you'll need to scan it down"), so there is more interest.

H


If you are not a troll - you can do zillions things beside missioning which have more danger. If you dont know what are they, you are playing wrong game.

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#18 - 2012-07-23 04:23:31 UTC
Some missions already have a bit of randomness (Dread Pirate being the most obvious).

Most of the randomness is in spawn composition. One time there will be 4 frigates and 3 cruisers, the next there will be 2 cruisers and 5 frigates.


I would like a little more randomness in some missions...

But overall, I would prefer less rats with a balanced increase in damage/tank/bounties per rat.
Teemo Is-OP
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-07-23 06:21:16 UTC
missions were intended to be as boring, repetitive, and predictable as mining (almost). If you want randomised PvE encounters, there are other venues - even solo - WH's C1-C3, Low/Nullsec missions (due to pvp more often), and ratting (random drops and spawns). Or Incursions/higher class WH's if u dont mind working with other ppl.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#20 - 2012-07-23 06:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Yes there is other PVE and missioning in null which can turn unexpected, but all thats no reason missions to remain as they are.
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