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Do Target Painters help Fighters hit better?
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Arch Ville
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-13 11:56:20 UTC
Do target painters help Fighters hit better? Rats more specifically.

I read yes and no in the help channel. AttentionAttentionAttention
Capra Tai
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-13 12:24:40 UTC
From the little that i know, yes they help ships to lock and hit, but the effectiveness of the target painter decreases the more that are added.

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http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=TargetPainter
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-13 12:36:38 UTC
Well, a target painter increases the signature radius of the target ship. And, a ship with a large sig radius is easier to track/hit then a ship with a small sig radius.

In theory, the target painter will help. In practice there is other things to consider like the speed of the target.
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-13 13:01:55 UTC
Yes.

Please don't put target painters on a carrier.
Arch Ville
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-07-13 13:20:29 UTC
Adam Junior wrote:
Yes.

Please don't put target painters on a carrier.



Why ffs?

Im ratting and its the only module that helps fighters from affar.

Right ?
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-13 13:34:47 UTC
I thought painters were primarily for missile damage. I wasn't aware gun tracking was affected by sig radius.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#7 - 2012-07-13 15:40:16 UTC
Vellen Thoss wrote:
I thought painters were primarily for missile damage. I wasn't aware gun tracking was affected by sig radius.


Yup EVERYTHING is effected by TPs.

I'd say only fit TPs on a carrier if it's armor tanked, you can probably get away with that not being called completely stupid.

Regardless though, just make sure you have good intel to prevent silly killmails mkay?

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Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-07-13 15:48:34 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Vellen Thoss wrote:
I thought painters were primarily for missile damage. I wasn't aware gun tracking was affected by sig radius.


Yup EVERYTHING is effected by TPs.

I'd say only fit TPs on a carrier if it's armor tanked, you can probably get away with that not being called completely stupid.

Regardless though, just make sure you have good intel to prevent silly killmails mkay?



Fitting a TP on anything except a missile boat seems like a waste of a mid when there are mid slot modules that enhance guns far better.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#9 - 2012-07-13 16:00:22 UTC
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
Vellen Thoss wrote:
I thought painters were primarily for missile damage. I wasn't aware gun tracking was affected by sig radius.


Yup EVERYTHING is effected by TPs.

I'd say only fit TPs on a carrier if it's armor tanked, you can probably get away with that not being called completely stupid.

Regardless though, just make sure you have good intel to prevent silly killmails mkay?



Fitting a TP on anything except a missile boat seems like a waste of a mid when there are mid slot modules that enhance guns far better.


Well it depends....

Ever seen what a TP and web huginn can do for a dread? Even after a bunch of webs a dread will likely miss a lot of shots, but the TP's actually boost the sig radius high enough to hit something, even as small as a cruiser.

From what I heard the difference between the target's sig radius and you're guns' scan res create a ratio that effects "real tracking". Because of this throwing on 2 TCs with speed scripts and 3 TEs you'll still have a "real" tracking speed that is too slow to hit something smaller.

In general though, I would agree. The cases where a TP is worth it for a non-missile or drone boat are really situational and best done by a second support ship.

That said I think Minmatar could really use a rebalencing regarding their Ewar specializations. TP could also use a new counter module that lowers sig radius. Everything else has a counter but TPs don't....

ECCM and remote ECCM, sensor boosters and remote sensor boosters, tracking computers and tracking links, but nothing for countering TPs locally or remotely form an ally. The closest thing is the bonuses from a claymore.

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CanDor Kalel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-07-13 17:54:17 UTC
Ok target painters seriously should only be used if your are not soloing meaning u are with a friend this is because they increse a targets signiture radius so, ships can target them faster and easier, however u really can only tell if you are not the person using it trust me also they are good for supporting battleships because bs targeting speed is dreadfully slow. And multiple target painters decrese in effectivness the more u have the first is 100 percent effective the second like 80 percent and so on and so forth more than three of modules like this and the ones after dont really do anything this is better applied to heat sinks, gyrostabs, and ballistic control modules i do a lot of research
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#11 - 2012-07-13 20:31:42 UTC
CanDor Kalel wrote:
Ok target painters seriously should only be used if your are not soloing meaning u are with a friend this is because they increse a targets signiture radius so, ships can target them faster and easier, however u really can only tell if you are not the person using it trust me also they are good for supporting battleships because bs targeting speed is dreadfully slow. And multiple target painters decrese in effectivness the more u have the first is 100 percent effective the second like 80 percent and so on and so forth more than three of modules like this and the ones after dont really do anything this is better applied to heat sinks, gyrostabs, and ballistic control modules i do a lot of research


Yes but faster lock times isn't the only benefit and they can be worth using on their own.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-13 21:43:19 UTC
Arch Ville wrote:
Adam Junior wrote:
Yes.

Please don't put target painters on a carrier.



Why ffs?

Im ratting and its the only module that helps fighters from affar.

Right ?


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