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[STRIX] Security and Peacekeeping Operations - Vlillirier Solar System
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Saul Ambrye
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange
#21 - 2012-07-13 13:32:51 UTC
Ah, SDII is involved, it all makes perfect sense now. If it involves flippant use of labeling as a pretext to violate sovereign individual rights, sure enough the brave men and women of this fine organization will be somewhere in the midst of it. Where is the bleating of the "Federation is the embodiment of freedom and liberty" crowd when you really need them?

Sanctioned murder of civilians, disregard for private property rights and restricting your right to choose your employer or move about freely? Just deflect the issue by pointing out the wrongs of others. "We have to violate your rights in order to protect them!"

Just the latest in a long list of tools used to enforce the socioeconomic whims of the central systems on the rest of the Federation. That this will disproportionately impact those of Intaki ethnicity (along with State foreign nationals) is par for the course. I will not be holding my breath waiting for push-back from other regions or significant protests in Villore.

As Knight-haani indicated, we have serious concerns and will be watching the situation closely. I sincerely hope that similar sentiments do not spread to other systems or State-aligned entities who provide positive economic benefit to several Federation regions (and if they are operating unlawfully, there are appropriate civil institutions for addressing such violations).

Saul Ambrye Executive Director Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict"
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-07-13 13:57:35 UTC
Ambrye,

It is the hope of Wirykomi Honor Guard that by operating in a defensive, counter operations capacity, we will avoid too much infringement upon the populace and non-militants that will unfortunately be affected by these operations. I would be either a hopeful fool or a blatant liar to suggest that our own defensive operations will not possibly inadvertently negatively affect the populace and workers in the region, but I can promise that we will do our best to limit such an impact.

~Malcolm Khross
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-07-13 14:53:39 UTC
What Wiyrkomi has done to the Canyon of Rust is unforgivable. I applaud STRIX for this initiative.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#24 - 2012-07-13 14:59:36 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Ambrye,

It is the hope of Wirykomi Honor Guard that by operating in a defensive, counter operations capacity, we will avoid too much infringement upon the populace and non-militants that will unfortunately be affected by these operations. I would be either a hopeful fool or a blatant liar to suggest that our own defensive operations will not possibly inadvertently negatively affect the populace and workers in the region, but I can promise that we will do our best to limit such an impact.


Malcolm;

Please do keep in mind that punching someone squarely in the nose in order to take them out of the fight before they can do any damage can be considered defensive.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-07-13 14:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Bastian Valoron wrote:
For long, the name of the Seituoda Family has been associated with honor and trustworthy business practices. It makes me disappointed to see that now these people flying under their flag wish to tarnish this age-old reputation by shedding blood on the Wiyrkomi trade mark.


Bastian Valoron wrote:
What Wiyrkomi has done to the Canyon of Rust is unforgivable. I applaud STRIX for this initiative.


I do so enjoy political double speak.

~Malcolm Khross
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
#26 - 2012-07-13 15:02:08 UTC
I suppose I must be a bit out of the loop, but last I knew a couple years back Zagamesh was pronounced dead and posthumously convicted of well over a hundred charges of treason, espionage and subterfuge on behalf of the State against the Federation and Strix was dissolved afterward, and I don't recall seeing anything about an exoneration or pardon (if I missed and someone can point me to it, that'd be appreciated), so what's changed since then that you're now working with SDII against State corporate interests?

SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin
Ilsenae Alexandros
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-07-13 16:00:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilsenae Alexandros
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Bastian Valoron wrote:
For long, the name of the Seituoda Family has been associated with honor and trustworthy business practices. It makes me disappointed to see that now these people flying under their flag wish to tarnish this age-old reputation by shedding blood on the Wiyrkomi trade mark.


Bastian Valoron wrote:
What Wiyrkomi has done to the Canyon of Rust is unforgivable. I applaud STRIX for this initiative.


I do so enjoy political double speak.


Its like he's making our arguments for us.

Koronakesh wrote:
I suppose I must be a bit out of the loop, but last I knew a couple years back Zagamesh was pronounced dead and posthumously convicted of well over a hundred charges of treason, espionage and subterfuge on behalf of the State against the Federation and Strix was dissolved afterward, and I don't recall seeing anything about an exoneration or pardon (if I missed and someone can point me to it, that'd be appreciated), so what's changed since then that you're now working with SDII against State corporate interests?


My birthday was a few months past but I'll forgive you this once, because its such a good present.

To know the face of God is to know madness.
Mjalnar Gessenier
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-07-13 22:02:23 UTC
Koronakesh wrote:
I suppose I must be a bit out of the loop, but last I knew a couple years back Zagamesh was pronounced dead and posthumously convicted of well over a hundred charges of treason, espionage and subterfuge on behalf of the State against the Federation and Strix was dissolved afterward, and I don't recall seeing anything about an exoneration or pardon (if I missed and someone can point me to it, that'd be appreciated), so what's changed since then that you're now working with SDII against State corporate interests?


M. Koronakesh,

The results of SDII investigations into the incident in question I believe are still classified documents and not currently available for public dissemination.

As for a present change in working with the SDII against State Megacorporate interests - perhaps nothing has ever changed. I am bound to obey the dictates of a lawful Federal agency as I prosecute actions against the Caldari State.
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-07-14 00:27:55 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Bastian Valoron wrote:
For long, the name of the Seituoda Family has been associated with honor and trustworthy business practices. It makes me disappointed to see that now these people flying under their flag wish to tarnish this age-old reputation by shedding blood on the Wiyrkomi trade mark.


Bastian Valoron wrote:
What Wiyrkomi has done to the Canyon of Rust is unforgivable. I applaud STRIX for this initiative.


I do so enjoy political double speak.

Stating facts is not double speak. Is someone implying that Seituoda family members are not known to keep their word, or that they do not prefer to rely on a competitive product instead of blackmailing, bribing, espionage and corporate warfare like so many other Caldari megacorporations?

Has WHG not started killing Wiyrkomi's business partners and their associates in the Federation?

Is it not widely disapproved in the Federation that using a loophole in the legislation, Wiyrkomi has destroyed a marvel of nature, a garden of special rust flakes, formed all by itself, without interference by man?

No holorecording can convey the real beauty of the Canyon of Rust to the future generations. Thanks to Wiyrkomi's greed and lack of consideration, this spectacle of special rust flakes has been ruined forever.
Jev North
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-07-14 00:28:17 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:

Considering Wiyrkomi operates legally within Federation borders, then your hostile actions against Wiyrkomi interests and assets is, in and of itself, terrorism.
[...]
See you in space, pirate.


Commander Khross, with all due respect.. this association of terrorism with piracy, seemingly so natural for you, is idiocy.

By preying primarily on capsuleer vessels, even a very active pirate tends to do a lot less damage to assets and personnel than even an average militia warrior or agent contracting capsuleer. And seldom do they do it for the purpose of political gain, or instilling terror and insecurity in people - for longer than it takes to collect some well-earned protection money, in any case.

Besides that, I must protest against ranking this STRIX lot in with us. Proper capsuleer pirates, ones with a decent amount of backbone, would never need to come up with quite this much empty political speech and tortured reasoning.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Hoshisuuvi
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
#31 - 2012-07-14 01:15:27 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:
No holorecording can convey the real beauty of the Canyon of Rust to the future generations. Thanks to Wiyrkomi's greed and lack of consideration, this spectacle of special rust flakes has been ruined forever.


Poor rust flakes. Each as unique and beautiful as a Gallente child, I'm sure.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-07-14 02:42:22 UTC
Jev North wrote:

Commander Khross, with all due respect.. this association of terrorism with piracy, seemingly so natural for you, is idiocy.

By preying primarily on capsuleer vessels, even a very active pirate tends to do a lot less damage to assets and personnel than even an average militia warrior or agent contracting capsuleer. And seldom do they do it for the purpose of political gain, or instilling terror and insecurity in people - for longer than it takes to collect some well-earned protection money, in any case.


Since when does piracy happen only between capsuleers? My branding of them as both pirates and terrorists comes from their divided engagements. Terrorism against civilian assets and non-space operations, piracy against space-borne operations.

Jev North wrote:
Besides that, I must protest against ranking this STRIX lot in with us. Proper capsuleer pirates, ones with a decent amount of backbone, would never need to come up with quite this much empty political speech and tortured reasoning.


I admit that I have a level of respect for the willingness to engage of many capsuleer pirates and to put action to their words, realizing the merit of the former. That, however, is the extent of my respect for self-seeking, crew-slaying, asset-stealing pirates.

~Malcolm Khross
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-07-14 02:50:51 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:


Stating facts is not double speak.


Indeed, but you did not state facts, you stated opinions; conflicting ones.

Bastian Valoron wrote:
Is someone implying that Seituoda family members are not known to keep their word, or that they do not prefer to rely on a competitive product instead of blackmailing, bribing, espionage and corporate warfare like so many other Caldari megacorporations?


Yes, see Gessenier's original statement above. Then, check your complicity to said statement. If you still cannot see it, I will gladly point it out to you.

Bastian Valoron wrote:
Has WHG not started killing Wiyrkomi's business partners and their associates in the Federation?


No, we haven't. In fact, not a single shot has been fired from a WHG vessel against a single vessel in the Federation. Every engagement regarding WHG has taken place in State sovereign space. That, however, will have to change when Wiyrkomi comes under siege from this directive as defensive operations will be required and anyone working against Wiyrkomi assets and interests in Federation space will be treated as a hostile entity.

Bastian Valoron wrote:
Is it not widely disapproved in the Federation that using a loophole in the legislation, Wiyrkomi has destroyed a marvel of nature, a garden of special rust flakes, formed all by itself, without interference by man?


I won't speak for what's widely approved or disapproved in the Federation, I tend not to involve myself overmuch in the internal affairs of the Federation. I think you're mostly just miffed that Wiyrkomi beat you at your own game, using your own law.

Bastian Valoron wrote:
No holorecording can convey the real beauty of the Canyon of Rust to the future generations. Thanks to Wiyrkomi's greed and lack of consideration, this spectacle of special rust flakes has been ruined forever.


Rust. Flakes. A region that even your own Federal corporations were trying to move in on but lacked the backbone to do so because of the potential fallout from certain activist and lobbyist groups in your government. Wiyrkomi Corporation concerns itself more with providing for people and maintaining stability and security for those actively contributing than to wring its hands over the vocal outcry of activists and political lobbyists whose interests serve no one but themselves.


~Malcolm Khross
Calliste Gessenier
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-07-14 05:40:41 UTC
To re-iterate:

Defensive actions to be undertaken against Wiyrkomi Corporation assets and military personnel in the Vlillirier System fall under the articles of Just Cause due to the following:

- Complicity in the invasion of the Federal territories of Algogille and Luminaire in YC 109

- Complicity in the continued military occupation of the Federal territory of Caldari Prime

- Complicity in the Provist military occupation of the Federal territory of Placid, YC 111 - YC 113

- Complicity in the continued support of State Executor Tibus Heth and the Caldari Providence Directorate in prosecuting aggression against the people of the Gallente Federation.

- Complicity in the funding and support of terrorist and insurgent activities in the Vlillirier System.

All corporate-military action against Wiyrkomi Corporation on the part of Strix Defence and Intelligence shall be undertaken with utmost respect as regards human life and the prevention of collateral damage caused against uninvolved third parties.
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#35 - 2012-07-14 06:06:20 UTC
Will you be expanding your actions to include NoH in Iges & Uphallant? Or are they not directly competing with your Chief Executive's megacorporation?

You can add to your list - ~100 years of tax evasion during the First Gallente-Caldari War, may as well.

Also, to do all of Wiyrkomi's interest in the rest of the Federation fall into this? I mean, you are talking about a corporation with a similar number of assets in Federation space as CreoDron.

Probably wouldn't take us long to find Wirykomi as a subcontractor on a few Federal Navy contracts either (the primes are probably Roden, CreoDron, or maybe even a shell corporation or two). Does that make the Federal Navy complicit in funding and supporting terrorist/insurgent activities in Vlillirier?

Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Calliste Gessenier
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-07-14 09:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Calliste Gessenier
Dex Nederland wrote:
Or are they not directly competing with your Chief Executive's megacorporation?


If you are referring to Roden Shipyards, it currently owns no shares in Pyre Black Corporation.


Dex Nederland wrote:
Also, to do all of Wiyrkomi's interest in the rest of the Federation fall into this? I mean, you are talking about a corporation with a similar number of assets in Federation space as CreoDron.


I believe current operations are outlined specifically to be conducted in the Vlillirier System.

Dex Nederland wrote:
Does that make the Federal Navy complicit in funding and supporting terrorist/insurgent activities in Vlillirier?


Such investigations related to the collusion and profiteering with a foreign and hostile corporation by Federal Defence Forces and any determinations made thereof are the province of the SDII, I believe.
Saul Ambrye
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange
#37 - 2012-07-14 09:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Ambrye
Calliste Gessenier wrote:
If you are referring to Roden Shipyards, it currently owns no shares in Pyre Black Corporation.

Ahem...

Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:
Strix Defence and Intelligence Syndicate [STRIX] is the SCC registered Private Military Corporate Syndicate of Roden Shipyards corporate subsidiary Strix Defence and Intelligence Corporation [STXDI].

While I won't speak for Nederland-haan, I believe this is more what he was referring to as his statements did not directly quote you in his reply.

Calliste Gessenier wrote:
Such investigations related to the collusion and profiteering with a foreign and hostile corporation by Federal Defence Forces and any determinations made thereof are the province of the SDII, I believe.

I keep seeing repeated insistence that SDII has made all of these scathing conclusions about Wiyrkomi and authorized Strix to implement a response.

So a shadowy government agency with dubious judicial oversight has pumped out a series of alarmist claims and charged a privately run military subsidiary of a major corporate institution that is rapidly becoming intertwined with the government itself to detain or assassinate civilians and seize property under broad and poorly defined circumstances. Isn't that the exact sort of behavior the Federal nationalists accuse of the State of engaging in as pretext for their "we have to conquer them so we can give them freedom" narrative?

Apparently the Federation isn't even bothering with their "we represent the moral high ground" rhetorical hand-wringing any more, it seems. This is one of those tragic tales of zealotry where in order to destroy that which they despise, they end up becoming it.

Saul Ambrye Executive Director Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict"
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-07-14 11:10:06 UTC
Calliste Gessenier wrote:
- Complicity in the invasion of the Federal territories of Algogille and Luminaire in YC 109


Luminaire. Do you know what is in Luminaire? Caldari Prime

Nevermind the fact that Wiyrkomi has operated, with Federal sanction since that time and you're now attempting to justify your actions against it? Congratulations, you're more unscrupulous than I gave you credit for.

Calliste Gessenier wrote:
- Complicity in the continued military occupation of the Federal territory of Caldari Prime


That's Caldari Prime. That you even think you have a right or claim to it is the very substance of why you will never understand us, never be at peace with us and never acknowledge the blood and dirt on your own hands.

Calliste Gessenier wrote:
- Complicity in the continued support of State Executor Tibus Heth and the Caldari Providence Directorate in prosecuting aggression against the people of the Gallente Federation.


Wiyrkomi Corporation is a State-aligned Corporation with Federal sanction to operate in Federal space; providing jobs, contracts, security work and benefits to Federal citizens while supporting its home nation. This has never been denied and Wiyrkomi has never expanded beyond what the Federation regulations permitted. The fact that STRIX is now trying to place this as an allegation against Wiyrkomi, combined with the absolute lack of official declaration from the SDII, FIO or other Federal agencies further proves that this is nothing more than an unlawful campaign of terrorism and piracy against Wiyrkomi.

Calliste gessenier wrote:
- Complicity in the funding and support of terrorist and insurgent activities in the Vlillirier System.

All corporate-military action against Wiyrkomi Corporation on the part of Strix Defence and Intelligence shall be undertaken with utmost respect as regards human life and the prevention of collateral damage caused against uninvolved third parties.


Activities that you've still failed to provide evidence of. Activities that you've still failed elaborate on.

Furthermore, your last line is absolute scrap. All Wiyrkomi affiliated persons are persona non-grata by your own wording, making them victims to your aggression when they are naught but Federal citizens doing a job for a legally sanctioned corporation in the area. Furthermore, the quarantines, sanctions and other imposed restrictions on civilians and non-militants are a direct violation of their rights.

The Wiyrkomi Honor Guard will be defending these individuals' rights to employment, security and freedom against your unlawful hostile campaign and will ensure that the legally sanctioned operation of Wiyrkomi continues unimpeded by vigilante warmongers like STRIX and those working alongside it. This is not the first time Federally aligned corporations and alliances have betrayed the very principles they claim to stand for and repressed people for their own benefit, and it won't be the last.

See you in space, pirate.

~Malcolm Khross
Benjamin Eastwood
#39 - 2012-07-14 16:41:35 UTC
We're the Gallente! We'll free the **** out of you and then force you to drink our Gallente-aid! Gallente, **** yeah!

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#40 - 2012-07-18 20:24:47 UTC
As one of the residents of Vlillirier and a pilot of the Gallente Militia, we'd like to extend our gratitude to Strix for their ongoing effort to keep this system stabilized against the Caldari Militia. Strix's efforts have already shown in their KB.

Strix, amongst other Gal Mil corps who reside in this system, will be glad to know that we have tons of ships, mods, and rigs on sale in this system. We sale all Gallente and Minmatar frigs, dessies, and cruisers on the open market to help ease the logistics of smaller corps. We will continue to provide an industrial backbone to this system so long as more Gal Mil corps continue to move in and help defend this and nearby systems.

If there are any Gal Mil corps looking to take part in the continued border wars, don't hesitate to get in touch with me privately for standings and joint combat operations





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