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How do I make money in 0.0? Question to nullsec residents.
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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#21 - 2012-07-08 09:51:41 UTC
Instead of bashing 0.0 alliances, how about you ask yourself why you're in a 0.0 alliance.

A good alliance will provide you with ships for warfare so why do you need ISK so desperately? If you'd rather farm ISK instead of participate in fleets, you don't belong in nullsec.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-07-08 18:17:10 UTC
Zoe Athame wrote:
Instead of bashing 0.0 alliances, how about you ask yourself why you're in a 0.0 alliance.

A good alliance will provide you with ships for warfare so why do you need ISK so desperately? If you'd rather farm ISK instead of participate in fleets, you don't belong in nullsec.


Actually very, very true.

Being in a SOV null-sec alliance means you agree with the fact that you have to PvP, you agree with the fact others might take your space and you need CTAs to defend it.

If you want massive ISK farming, SOV null-sec is not the place to be. It has great ways to make ISK but like in EVE there is Risk vs Reward.

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Delvega
The Geedunk Expedition
#23 - 2012-07-08 18:25:01 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

If you want massive ISK farming, SOV null-sec is not the place to be.
I found this particular statement highly discouraging. I'm not adverse to PvP, but ever since I moved back out to nullsec all I've done is lose money. Ship replacement in my alliance is a joke as it's often either delayed indefinitely or outright denied.

I guess highsec really is the place to be, as nullsec just sucks.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-08 18:30:40 UTC
Delvega wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

If you want massive ISK farming, SOV null-sec is not the place to be.
I found this particular statement highly discouraging. I'm not adverse to PvP, but ever since I moved back out to nullsec all I've done is lose money. Ship replacement in my alliance is a joke as it's often either delayed indefinitely or outright denied.

I guess highsec really is the place to be, as nullsec just sucks.


That depends on which alliances you joined in the past. Not every alliance is as bad as the ones you joined.

Also, posting which alliance you did join / am in now would help a lot as we could see where you are and why it is that you have trouble.

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Delvega
The Geedunk Expedition
#25 - 2012-07-08 23:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Delvega
J'Poll wrote:


Also, posting which alliance you did join / am in now would help a lot as we could see where you are and why it is that you have trouble.

I can't do that quite yet until I get my stuff out as I have no doubt there would be some form of retaliation.
BTW the tax rate has dropped down to normal levels, but we're still not allowed to rat while there's a CTA going on, which is going on 24/7.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-07-09 02:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
I really can't fathom how can people (OP, but also other members of his alliance) stand being in an alliance with a) mandatory CTAs under threat of being kicked, and b) punishment for trying to leave. That's not an alliance, that's slavery!

A vast majority of nullsec doesn't do this. You really just chose the wrong people.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-07-09 02:49:34 UTC
Join a corp with a lower tax rate & find yourself some quiet nullsec space to rat in.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-07-09 02:50:33 UTC
Delvega wrote:
J'Poll wrote:


Also, posting which alliance you did join / am in now would help a lot as we could see where you are and why it is that you have trouble.

I can't do that quite yet until I get my stuff out as I have no doubt there would be some form of retaliation.
BTW the tax rate has dropped down to normal levels, but we're still not allowed to rat while there's a CTA going on, which is going on 24/7.


Firesale your stuff, move out & leave. What can they do?

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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-07-09 03:02:21 UTC
Delvega wrote:
I can't do that quite yet until I get my stuff out as I have no doubt there would be some form of retaliation.


If you could easily make most of the stuff back if you were operating at say an 11% tax rate... likewise, if there isn't anything worth the time or the hassle...



IMO try to be a little more choosy when picking an alliance. Ask questions. Try to find a list of members and ask some of the people in it about the alliance

I mean if they had 100% tax rate it sounds like either they were doing something very wrong or the head of your corp just wanted some extra cash for buying himself and his alts a plex or whatever. Also, why don't you guys have any manufacturing or mining OPs going on so you don't have to buy 100% of everything you need? Sounds like the leader is doing it wrong.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-07-09 06:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Delvega wrote:
J'Poll wrote:


Also, posting which alliance you did join / am in now would help a lot as we could see where you are and why it is that you have trouble.

I can't do that quite yet until I get my stuff out as I have no doubt there would be some form of retaliation.
BTW the tax rate has dropped down to normal levels, but we're still not allowed to rat while there's a CTA going on, which is going on 24/7.


And how would they link your main to your alt if you listed the alliance(s).

Unless they are really small and you are really terribad at hiding your alts.

E: I find posting with an alt, specially if it comes to whine about something in EVE, pathetic and the most cowardly thing you can do. Shows exactly what type of player is behind the characters, if you want to whine, have the balls and do it with your main and live with the consequences or don't whine at all.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#31 - 2012-07-09 09:18:51 UTC
Pretty sure OP is in Cascade Imminent, and should recover some sanity by leaving.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#32 - 2012-07-09 13:01:56 UTC
Also vote for leave the alliance, though I'd kinda add, given the tone of some of these posts, that you shouldn't be rude about it or anything. Just say they don't match your play-style.

If you enjoy the make-isk-spend-isk thing, honestly, I'd advise moving out of player null altogether. Small 0.0 corps in NPC null or even playing in low/high sec are more conducive to individual gameplay, cleverness, etc, out in player-owned it's all just basic economies of scale, one of the simplest of which is to just consolidate everyone's stuff into one pot and issue equipment to members as needed. Saving up to buy your own ships and the alliance winning the economic game aren't really... compatible things sometimes.

(Or you can really go full robber-baron and join a w-space corp instead, it's less "Stalin is my homeboy" corporate environments and more "Who is John Galt" craziness.)
Dervinus
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#33 - 2012-07-09 13:35:17 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
out in player-owned it's all just basic economies of scale, one of the simplest of which is to just consolidate everyone's stuff into one pot and issue equipment to members as needed. Saving up to buy your own ships and the alliance winning the economic game aren't really... compatible things sometimes.


Mate, I have been living in 0.0 for over a year and a half and I have never heard of a corp/alliance that requires its members to throw all their ships and money into one pot and have it all redistributed among the members. Every corp/alliance I have encountered has its members provide their own ships and modules, and all the decent ones offer reimbursement money when those ships are lost in pvp so members can re-buy ships for themselves. I think the only exception to this is I have heard of are Evolution, who are a communist corp. This sort of behavior is an exception, not the norm in 0.0

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-07-09 14:02:03 UTC
Dervinus wrote:
Lost Greybeard wrote:
out in player-owned it's all just basic economies of scale, one of the simplest of which is to just consolidate everyone's stuff into one pot and issue equipment to members as needed. Saving up to buy your own ships and the alliance winning the economic game aren't really... compatible things sometimes.


Mate, I have been living in 0.0 for over a year and a half and I have never heard of a corp/alliance that requires its members to throw all their ships and money into one pot and have it all redistributed among the members. Every corp/alliance I have encountered has its members provide their own ships and modules, and all the decent ones offer reimbursement money when those ships are lost in pvp so members can re-buy ships for themselves. I think the only exception to this is I have heard of are Evolution, who are a communist corp. This sort of behavior is an exception, not the norm in 0.0


^^ That.

Greybeard, get into null-sec and experience before talking about it. Been in null for over a year now with multiple alliances. Non of which work like you said.

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Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-07-09 15:51:51 UTC
Stick it out, get roles, rob them blind.
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Ko'Ahi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-07-09 23:55:47 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Luba Cibre wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
PL isn't really a nullsec alliance anymore.

PL stages out of nullsec atm, they've initiated Delve2012, they have even sov in delve and participated in most other major conflicts in nullsec, but yea, PL is clearly a lowsec scrub alliance.

Quote:
All the others are part of CFC.

That's correct for most of the Aliances (99% and TASHA aren't in the CFC), but doesn't affect my previous statement in any way.


PL are hired guns, they are null-sec but don't perma live in a space. They more where ever their contract makes them move. Seen them in the old NC war, seen them in the Drone Russian war, now they are in Delve.

And TASHA and 99 are pets / minions / renter / what ever of TEST, means they are part of the CFC cause of their overlords

And true your list doesn't have must CTAs but then again, most people don't want anything to do with players who are part / were part of the CFC.


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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#37 - 2012-07-10 11:42:11 UTC
Delvega wrote:
This is an alt obviously.

So my alliance is running non stop 24/7 mandatory participation CTA around the clock. Nobody is allowed to go ratting or anything except fight. Tax rate has been at 100% for a LONG time now. The alliance even has a mandate to shoot and pod anyone not participating in the mandatory CTA.



If your alliance, or alliances, are doing CTAs every minute of the day then you are clearly joining the wrong alliances. Alliances call CTAs when they need all hands on deck to either attack or defend something. Since virtually no one is attacking everyone in eve every minute of the day I would say its probably that your alliance is defending itself from invaders. If they are defending every minute of the day then they must be losing their space and about to be evicted. It is time for you to GTFO and go look for something better.

Or,

if you really like the folks in your corp/alliance then you can:

1. Man up and help defend the space til it is gone

2. Put an alt in a nullified tengu and go rat when you want to (out of corp/alliance) where you want to or make him a high sec mission running alt.
Ione Hawke
Darkness Industries
#38 - 2012-07-10 12:26:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ione Hawke
Delvega wrote:
This is an alt obviously.

So my alliance is running non stop 24/7 mandatory participation CTA around the clock. Nobody is allowed to go ratting or anything except fight. Tax rate has been at 100% for a LONG time now. The alliance even has a mandate to shoot and pod anyone not participating in the mandatory CTA.


=> GTFO
Seriously, you play this game for fun. I personally would be offended if an alliance/corp enforced such matters. I happen to decide myself how I spend my freetime and it is certainly not of any business to some random spacegamedude.

Delvega wrote:

Its not an isolated case of a bad nullsec alliance either. EVERY nullsec alliance I've ever been in does this. I'm told that this is common and standard procedure for all nullsec alliances. If that's the case, then how do I make money in nullsec? Everytime I move to nullsec I end up losing money instead of making any due to the above. At this rate I think I should've stayed in highsec.


=> not in mine
Well, you are expected to participate in CTAs, but those are called rarely.
Either way, even tho tax is at 100% there are ways to make money.
* trading
* industry
* mining
and under normal tax conditions you can of course earn money with the various forms of ratting.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-07-11 21:10:45 UTC
I had the same problem in every null sec alliance I was in.

And well...

The Testee posters can atest to how atrocious Black Star alliance was...

Logistics for hundred plus man alliances and corp is difficult. If you have no way to replace you ships either through there lack of having ship replacement or your lack of understanding how to make it work your SOL.

I've never made any money in null sec.
Until I became a merc.

You could consider giving us a try we see all sorts of pockets of null sec.
Then when were on RR you get to go where you want.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#40 - 2012-07-12 19:53:15 UTC
Delvega wrote:
Its not an isolated case of a bad nullsec alliance either. EVERY nullsec alliance I've ever been in does this. I'm told that this is common and standard procedure for all nullsec alliances.

You poor bastard. It is not standard procedure, and you have had some really rotten luck for this to happen in every alliance you have been in. Just get out. If you aren't having any fun, and are going broke and don't want to buy plex, why are you still there?
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