Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, a dreadnought for highsec ?








Why would a highsec player need a dreadnought ?

If he has that many skillpoints he can go to low/nullsec

no.

siege ships for high sec would be bad.

Bashing POS and other structures shouldnt be easy task in high sec.

No.

Even during low/null POS bashes players are always careful to drop in their dreadnoughts. Only reason we use them, is because they can pump out up to 16-18 times the damage of a single battleship - this somewhat compensates their complete immobility while in siege. But you only do that if you can bring enough dreads to do one single siege cycle, maybe two on the outside (or for large POSes) - because otherwise your dreads will become target practice very quickly.

But hey, let's make this fun. Let's entertain your idea for a second. You want a siege module on a battleship hull? Great, let's boast their DPS to a reasonable 4k DPS - this seems fair for a ship of that size. It cannot move or warp during that time, and it will have really low scan resolution. But it will become immune to E-War. You like this idea?

Oh I forgot, it cannot receive any remote repair units. POS gunners and hostiles - enjoy! Melt down those cute tiny siege battleships within seconds!
Oh I forgot, it cannot receive any energy transfers. POS gunners and hostiles - enjoy! Neut those ships out in no time.
Oh I forgot, it's supersquishy, super sensitive to neutralizers - and it cannot move. POS gunners and hostiles - enjoy! You don't even have to use points. Once they are deployed - they are dead.

Dreadnaughts at least have the advantage of doing their job in big numbers in record time, often giving only a 5-10min window during which they are vulnerable - and during this they can comfortably tank POS guns, and even a small fleet. And they have a huge buffer, which unless it escalated into a huge capital fight, has plenty of buffer to survive half a siege cycle before the carriers can rescue him.

And even then 5 minutes is a really short time to organize capital pilots and a support fleet to meet the opposing force, and getting a cyno in their face - which might have get around bubbles as well, not to mention the Titan pilot to do the bridging.

Such a POS bashing battleship you wish for is ill-conceived, and would only benefit bashing carebears POS towers - to which I can only say: Good job, be proud of yourself. You sat in front of yet another POS, shooting ammo - just to bully some defenseless people who don't care about your game. The second where the POS bash becomes a risk, you want extreme DPS in Dreadnaughts to do the job in one siege cycle, or total mobility with PvP fits, so you can engage when needed - or better yet a mixture of both.

And instead of filling your relative short idea with graphics idea to make the idea more appealing, I suggest to leave graphic details to the end, if your idea gets some serious attention. Focus on giving your own analysis of your idea from all perspectives, rather than a wishful thought of "Omg, I want to fit a DD on a rifter with an X-Large ASB and 10 heavy neuts. The graphics would use this very cool looking model from XYZ, I always wanted to fly such a ship in Eve - it's why I'm suggesting this model along with some random wishful mechanics I just came up with!". Analyze the issue at hand, the underlying cause. Show us what the problem is, and how your proposal *affects* this problem both ways - good and bad, instead of just throwing in a random idea.

Tracking disrupting, sensor dampening, jamming, target painting, etc.



He's asking for a BS sized dread, not a BS sized Nado/Oracle/Talos/Naga. Nobody would want a stationary platform that is easy to gun down with a handful of POS guns, neut out in one cycle with a Bhaalgorn, with only mediocre DPS.

The reason why we use Tier 3 BCs is because they are highly agile while keeping their DPS on. The damage potential of a Carrier is comparable to the one of a battleship. A Dreadnought has even less DPS with total crap tracking - but only gets effective on Siege with all the heavy penalties that it incurs. That leaves us with Motherships and Titans, which deal the same damage as a sieged dreadnought.

We deploy Dreadnoughts because they have that huge EHP buffer with the crazy DPS of a 16-18 battleship fleet. Drop in 1-2 dozen dreadnoughts and you can reinforce a POS within one siege cycle (5 minutes) - which is the equivalent of roughly a 300 battleship fleet. At the same time since they have a jump drive, they can jump into the POS instantly, giving little to no warning to the POS owner to prepare or defend.

This means even relatively small corporations can almost reliably reinforce POSes with enough Dreadnoughts without getting caught. But to take the POS down afterwards, dreadnoughts are a hard choice, because you really don't want a dozen or two dreadnoughts in Siege while a cyno goes up and suddenly you see a metric ton of ships, supercaps and whatnot spiking local.
Reason being: Now they had time to prepare, everybody knows the exact time the POS comes out of reinforcement. And if you jump in your dreads and siege them, they could just have a cyno ready, with a Titan (to create a jump bridge) + Fleet standing by to hotdrop once those juicy Dreadnoughts get into siege.

Dreadnought and Carrier pilots usually need permission to go into Siege and Triage respectively, because it puts them and the fleet at a great risk. Especially dreadnoughts should make sure that all their siege cycles are synchronous, so once the siege cycle ends, they are *all* immediately ready to go, instead of having to leave people behind. So you see, the Siege module has extreme downsides. And the only reason people use it, is because it has capital ship EHP, and supercapital DPS.



He needs to justify why we actually need a new line of ships, why we or CCP should spend time that could be used to improve on much more important problems to design ships from the scratch, balance them into the game while doing what CCP is doing at the moment: Redesigning and rebalancing subcaps.

Until I can see what possible role such a ship type could fulfill, and whether we actually need it to fulfill that role, and whether anyone would actually use it for that, this is pointless and wishful thinking.

Again, I don't have much experience with capitals personally, but would not mind finding out some answers to what I mentioned. As long as they are balanced, I don't see anything wrong with adding more ships (or other content) to the game.

I think it's time for the High Sector POS owners to feel the heat of low and null sector combat instead of always being able to gloat and poke an enemy in the face because of their High Sector Status.

After all a War Dec is a War Dec and being in High Sector and not being able to assault the POS with a Siege Ship can be considered an exploit giving the High Sector POS the upper hand when being attacked

Time to feel the pain of low and null sector.

you mentioned built around the weapon, so basically this in space?

Also CCP mentioned continuing with the Tier 3 battlecruiser style of ships with oversized weapons so maybe possible.

Not sure if I support this, a battleship fleet can already do the same thing in high-sec without the need for a specialized ship.

Take into consideration also, Dreads can at least fight other capitals and thus are useful in more than just POS bashes. Were these new ships to be created, and designed solely for POS bashes, this would make ships that would be almost useless on a day to day basis. More is needed other than "I WANT HIGH SEC DREAD!!1!" to make any ship like this feasible.

I do not own a high sec POS, nor do I have any interest in owning one. But the Idea of a high sec dread (Don't argue, we all know that's what this is really about) is not well thought out and I would rather see changes in existing ships before they add new ones.

So much wishful thinking and terribly bad ideas here. Can we just please stop it, until somebody demonstrates that there's a good reason to discuss this.

a few questions that people have asked.

Jahnk.

It is kind of weird/dumb that if you're training combat ships the Advanced Spaceship Command skill is just a time sink that gives you nothing (until V, since it's a prereq for Capitals). I do agree that there should be something in there on the combat trees that only requires 3 or so just so the skill is less stupid.

I don't think the OP's suggestion is the best way to fill that gap, though.

With 200 km i suggested a normal T2 fit, with standard ammo (standard Crystals, Lead). And no extrem range fittings like a 350-km-Rokh, more like the fitting from a high Damage 100 km Rokh.



This sounds like a PAK