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Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#21 - 2012-07-11 21:37:21 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

So... how do you like the Beta?

Oh wait... you haven't played it yet.

Next!


While I agree with general sentiment, you gotta admit that most gamers develop an innate "**** detector", especially when it comes to MMO or MP games, and can predict with an amazing degree of accuracy if/when it will flop, and how.

I know a guy who predicted down to a month when Age of Conan would go free to play, two years ahead of the actual event. I kid you not. I dare say most of us saw what would happen with SWTOR too. And while fanboys shouted us down, those same fanboys were some of the first people to jump ship when it started listing to port. And of course most of us have foreseen the predictable outcome of titles such as Mortal or Darkfall Online, there was never any doubt in the outcome.

I guess my point is, you don't need to have played a game to be able to predict with high degree of accuracy what would happen to it in near future. In Dust's case, it's an FPS game for consoles with a link to a cerebral MMO on PC. It's like putting an elevator in an outhouse - it don't belong.



So... you are asking me to believe that the opinion of people who haven't the slightest idea of what the actual game play is like have a more valid opinion than people who have actually played the game... and are insinuating that people who actually get involved in the beta are only fanbois who can not form an honest opinion?

Really? Big smileBig smileBig smile

At what point did your post actually make any sense to you what so ever...



All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)
Lilliana Stelles
#22 - 2012-07-11 21:44:18 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?


Pretty much yes.

Instead of speculating about it here, go sign up and get on the beta forums so you can actually talk about it?

Not a forum alt. 
Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-07-11 21:45:52 UTC
Twulf wrote:

All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)


You're missing one thing - dust is free to play. Literally everyone that has a ps3 (and an internet connection) can and probably will try it. It's actually quite a huge deal. It doesn't need to be better than any other game on the market. It just has to be barely playable.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2012-07-11 21:48:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Twulf wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

So... how do you like the Beta?

Oh wait... you haven't played it yet.

Next!


While I agree with general sentiment, you gotta admit that most gamers develop an innate "**** detector", especially when it comes to MMO or MP games, and can predict with an amazing degree of accuracy if/when it will flop, and how.

I know a guy who predicted down to a month when Age of Conan would go free to play, two years ahead of the actual event. I kid you not. I dare say most of us saw what would happen with SWTOR too. And while fanboys shouted us down, those same fanboys were some of the first people to jump ship when it started listing to port. And of course most of us have foreseen the predictable outcome of titles such as Mortal or Darkfall Online, there was never any doubt in the outcome.

I guess my point is, you don't need to have played a game to be able to predict with high degree of accuracy what would happen to it in near future. In Dust's case, it's an FPS game for consoles with a link to a cerebral MMO on PC. It's like putting an elevator in an outhouse - it don't belong.



So... you are asking me to believe that the opinion of people who haven't the slightest idea of what the actual game play is like have a more valid opinion than people who have actually played the game... and are insinuating that people who actually get involved in the beta are only fanbois who can not form an honest opinion?

Really? Big smileBig smileBig smile

At what point did your post actually make any sense to you what so ever...



All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)



Fortunately yes, as well as the Combat Suits, Tanks, Light Attack Vehicles, and Drop ships.

Of course, it has a lot more going for it than simple things like that, such as being a persistent universe, actions/successes/failures having tangible consequences not only in one game but in two, a RTS element, the ground work for industry and territory ownership, etc. etc. etc.

So lets see, as easy to jump into a casual game as any of the ones you listed, with a wider variety of equipment and vehicles... but also retains the capability to have immeasurably deeper game play, social interaction, intra game interaction, and more game play options available... in a free to play game.

Not too worried on that score to be honest. Blink

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Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#25 - 2012-07-11 22:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Twulf
I do not know much about Dust. I posted this as a FYI for the EVE Community.

I personally will not play Dust because like I said I love BF3.

Does it have more Vehicles than BF3? I would be shocked if it did.

Will Dust have more then one game mode? Team Deathmatch, Conquest, etc? IF so then it does have a chance, if not, then it will not make the cut for most FPS players.


The F2P thing is both a good and bad thing. I know gamers that will never touch a game that is F2P even it if is a great game and I know people who only play F2P games. So I am not sure if that is going to be a huge boom or not for this game.
Lilliana Stelles
#26 - 2012-07-11 22:19:58 UTC
Twulf wrote:
I personally will not play Dust because like I said I love BF3.


Isn't that MORE reason to play, considering the *obvious* design influence?

Not a forum alt. 
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#27 - 2012-07-11 22:31:30 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
Twulf wrote:
I personally will not play Dust because like I said I love BF3.


Isn't that MORE reason to play, considering the *obvious* design influence?


Not really, I found a game I like, why would I move to a game that I might like?

BF3 has everything I want in a FPS (well not everything, hoping PS2 will have it all, open world FPS).
Lilliana Stelles
#28 - 2012-07-11 22:34:49 UTC
Twulf wrote:

Not really, I found a game I like, why would I move to a game that I might like?

BF3 has everything I want in a FPS (well not everything, hoping PS2 will have it all, open world FPS).


It doesn't integrate with EVE, for one. And you can't shoot people in it from your spaceship.

Not a forum alt. 
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-11 22:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Twulf wrote:
I do not know much about Dust. I posted this as a FYI for the EVE Community.

I personally will not play Dust because like I said I love BF3.

Does it have more Vehicles than BF3? I would be shocked if it did.

Will Dust have more then one game mode? Team Deathmatch, Conquest, etc? IF so then it does have a chance, if not, then it will not make the cut for most FPS players.


The F2P thing is both a good and bad thing. I know gamers that will never touch a game that is F2P even it if is a great game and I know people who only play F2P games. So I am not sure if that is going to be a huge boom or not for this game.


Ok lets see.... only using information found in the E3 videos and fanfest here is what I can tell you. Also specualtion on all tech 2 roles, this is me guessing based on what they kinda hinted at fanfest. But while the roles will most liekly change from what they told people at E# and CCP presents it still represents how many there will be.

4 races dropships
4 tech 2 dropships -no idea

4 races tanks
4 tech 2 tanks -HAVs in eve?

4 LAVs
4 tech 2 LAVS -logistic ships?

4fighter jets
4 tech 2 fighter jets

4 10 foot armored mecha suits
4 tech 2 mecha suits
4 Warbarges

6 dropsuits types, 4 of each for each race
6 tech 2 dropsuits with different roles

The rest I have no idea but from what I've heard plus what you can find in the art book. Some number of the following.

Boats
Titans -yes titans are in dust, check the art book there are giant train/massive moving trucks able to build tanks and such in battle by the looks of it.
motor cycles
High speed somethings
APCs



And that's just whats been shown/hinted at/confirmed with release dates.


OH! plus the number of maps.

terrain it'self is taken right out of eve planet height maps which were created 2 years ago procedurally, so unlimited different types of paths and terrian, but really it's just the ground that "maps" are placed on. Maps are a combo of stand alone buildings, and the surrounding area which was created randomly 2 years ago or so.

Terra maps, seems like fanfest confrimed at least 3 types of buildings for each race you can fight inside of. so about 12 you'll be seeing at release at least

Lots of random side buildings in the fanfest finals

then you've got screenshots of lava planets where you have to fly to get between buildings built into mountains

water planets, all air to air fighter combat? maybe some oil rigs?

IGN just confirmed gas giants as well so I assume each planet type in eve including also confirmed low gravity moon maps. so 9 map types. Each a different game mode basically.

OH! Arenas. Like Roman arena, with 1v1no respawn matches, capture the flag and so on. Will be watchable from dust and eve. You'll be able to bet on matches, watch them in real time with the 3d map. this was all confirmed at fanfest for 2012, they really want to push the E-sports stuff.

Also PvE maps where you fight rouge drones, this is standard in fps games now a day as horde mode, but when you die you lose your stuff so that's exciting.

also Dust is getting eve WiS at some point. They share the same evil door that won't open yet.

am I missing anything else not covered by the NDA?

OH right! in the last ign video, footage of maps taking place at dusk/ dawn/ night. Flash lights and such.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-07-11 22:50:36 UTC
Didn't even get into the whole base building stuff they showed off at fanfest. buildings are placed by the players. You fight over districts on the planet. If you take over all of the districts and the eve players have control of the SOV4 or whatever, you can work together to build a space elevator.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Betrinna Cantis
#31 - 2012-07-12 00:17:38 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Patrakele wrote:
Not on PC?


NO DEAL!


This.

Love first person shooters, love Eve.

Won't play either of them on a stupid console controller.

+1

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#32 - 2012-07-12 01:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
I dont like SONY i dont buy it, they discriminate gaming community in my country by add some restrictions to players because of gaming ecconomy and own vision about games distributuon in Europe area , for me this company suck hard.
Herr Hammer Draken
#33 - 2012-07-12 02:46:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Hammer Draken
Twulf wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

So... how do you like the Beta?

Oh wait... you haven't played it yet.

Next!


While I agree with general sentiment, you gotta admit that most gamers develop an innate "**** detector", especially when it comes to MMO or MP games, and can predict with an amazing degree of accuracy if/when it will flop, and how.

I know a guy who predicted down to a month when Age of Conan would go free to play, two years ahead of the actual event. I kid you not. I dare say most of us saw what would happen with SWTOR too. And while fanboys shouted us down, those same fanboys were some of the first people to jump ship when it started listing to port. And of course most of us have foreseen the predictable outcome of titles such as Mortal or Darkfall Online, there was never any doubt in the outcome.

I guess my point is, you don't need to have played a game to be able to predict with high degree of accuracy what would happen to it in near future. In Dust's case, it's an FPS game for consoles with a link to a cerebral MMO on PC. It's like putting an elevator in an outhouse - it don't belong.



So... you are asking me to believe that the opinion of people who haven't the slightest idea of what the actual game play is like have a more valid opinion than people who have actually played the game... and are insinuating that people who actually get involved in the beta are only fanbois who can not form an honest opinion?

Really? Big smileBig smileBig smile

At what point did your post actually make any sense to you what so ever...



All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)



Do you understand what you are saying? You know of course that these FPS players are the most fickle group of gamers around. Here today gone tomorrow. They are not loyal to any game for very long. As soon as something new shows up off they go. It is the crowd mentality that is after cool effects and splashy game play. CCP can not hold their interest for long.
A game with great game play and story line is not what these guys want. So CCP is entering this market with a dichotomy of ideas, then add in presure for a hit game from sony, the head office and you have a recipe for disaster which could threaten to roll over into EVE. What does sony expect from DUST and how much of CCP's resources will they demand get used to make it a hit even if it flops or has no staying power? Will both companies misread the player base? I see a disaster mounting of epic proportions.

By dichotomy of game design ideas I present the skill tree which rewards patient players over a long period of time.
In dust they are marketing to instant gratification FPS players. How is that idea going to fly? It's not. Further CCP can not fix the lag issues in EVE with a 1 second request reply timer. Imagine a twitch game like a FPS! Yikes! Yep I see a disaster ahead.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Jayde Montefiore
Legitimate Businessman's Club
#34 - 2012-07-12 02:50:35 UTC
Twulf wrote:

All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)


I do think BF3 is "ONE" of the best FPS out there, but you quoting "Gun Master" to be the most fun game mode in BF3 makes me believe you are just a COD fanboi...which questions me your whole credibility.

CQC and Gun Master is only a tiny bit of offering in the BF3 setting, in fact, it's more akin to COD, and not what BF3 is actually like. Yeah, the new DLC is a change of pace and I don't think it's a bad thing, it's even quite enjoyable, but that's not what BF is exactly about.

Now go play Dust and tell me which of the games it's more like. And don't even begin with MOH...it's so insignificant at this point...The players Dust will draw is from the Mag crowd and the BF crowd. And I don't think Dust have any problem doing it as long as CCP fix many of the annoyances currently in Dust.

PS
If you don' t have an answer, you might as well shut up.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#35 - 2012-07-12 04:37:28 UTC
Twulf wrote:

Does it have more Vehicles than BF3? I would be shocked if it did.

At least a similar amount, lets work it out shall we?

BF3:
2 kinds of Tanks (one per team)
2 kinds of APCs
1 of those ugly swimming tanks
3 Jets
4 Helicopters
2 Anti-Air Vehicles
and either 3 or 4 LAVs
Oh and 1 type of boat

Thats 18-19 kinds of vehicles

DUST514:
4 Tanks, plus 4 Marauders (Better higher skill requirement tanks)
4 Dropships and 4 more advanced versions
4 LAVs and 4 Advanced logi LAVs
4 Fighters
4 MTACs, Mech suit things

Now even if we dont count the advanced vehicles thats 20 Vehicles, and probobly more to come (good luck trying to capture an Oceanic planet without boats)

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-07-12 07:02:58 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Do you understand what you are saying? You know of course that these FPS players are the most fickle group of gamers around. Here today gone tomorrow. They are not loyal to any game for very long. As soon as something new shows up off they go. It is the crowd mentality that is after cool effects and splashy game play. CCP can not hold their interest for long.
A game with great game play and story line is not what these guys want. So CCP is entering this market with a dichotomy of ideas, then add in presure for a hit game from sony, the head office and you have a recipe for disaster which could threaten to roll over into EVE. What does sony expect from DUST and how much of CCP's resources will they demand get used to make it a hit even if it flops or has no staying power? Will both companies misread the player base? I see a disaster mounting of epic proportions.


And yet a game like MAG sold 1.25m and people are still playing it. You obviously think that the bf/cod crowd are all the fps players. They're not. There are many more fps players that hate those franchises.
Samurai Pumpkin
The Tebo Corp
#37 - 2012-07-12 07:19:36 UTC
It needs to be on the PC.

I don't think that the PS3 can really do it justice.

It can still be free to play on PC. No need to have to deal with the Windows Live! barrier. ( The xbox 360 subscription service to play online ).

Before long I'm sure that CCP will probably start to realize this.

Hopefully it wont be too late by then.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-07-12 07:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbaron
there is a playstation-exlusive contract with sony. these contracts usually last one year. would not surprise me at all to see a PC version after that.

right now, the beta is, well, a beta. it does not make sense to talk about the actual features outside the beta forums. (it really doesnt)
Fiona Tsero
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-07-12 07:56:27 UTC
adam smash wrote:
Look at eve, dust? lol how many bugs will they have LAWL.

The game is gona suck and die very fast. Consol gamers don't stick on one game, no different than wow players who won't ever play eve... CCP ****** up yet again.


You should have named this forum alt something along the lines of "Negative Nancy".

If you don't like the rain, then move out of Seattle... Or for this situation, if you don't like EVE/CCP, then quit.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-07-12 11:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
which is why TF2 has had 4 million players on PS3 for the past 3 years....

Riiiiiiight, console players won't keep playing a constaly updated graphicaly fps for years. As long as dust still looks as good as any modern shooters, even 7 years from now, it will continue to keep players. People said the same thing abuot eve, that it would fail and no one would playt it.

Dust is going to be big BIG ****. A new graphical Unreal engine 4 version will most likely be a launch title on the PS3 given ccp's history of making 9 year old video games look cutting ******* edge. Do you realise how pretty eve is and it's 9 years old? The same thing will happen in dust it will be that pick up and play game that millions of people play maybe once a week.

But as it will always been updated with new expansions the game will see 1-2 months of high actviity. I think they continue even into 4-5 years from now. It doesn't need to beat those other shooters if those other shooters are replaced with a brand new fps you have to start leveling up all over again.

Dust will look cutting edge even in 10 years. I think when it has gaint robots and lava worlds this game is never going to die. It might never break say, 1 million players. But since when did 1 million players become a low number? that's not a bad number, about how many players that new Starwars mmo has.

And if itupdates like eve does, over the years it will become a better game. Because other companies don't keep 100 devs on their games for 10 years after release. BF3 is a smaller team now. But CCP will pump money like nuts into this title, and it's going to keep draging people back in to try to the new thing in that free to play game.

And then one day it'll come out on the PC I'm sure, as they get closer and closer anyways. And then you can play it too, when ti's got 3 extra years of updates. Don't underesitmate what this games devs are capicable of.

Eve 202 doesn't look or play a thing like eve 2012

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
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