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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-07-11 17:17:19 UTC
Yes, this is a great idea. We need an option to not sell to certain entities or, to only sell to certain entities. That right there is the answer to all the people saying 'neutral alts'. If you put an order up, you can make it for only corp/alliance mates thus making neut alts useless. Not only would this make high-sec markets more interesting and give the indy guy a way to fight back at their enemies economically by placing embargos, it would really help to make npc-nul more vibrant. Currently it is near impossible to have decent market hubs in NPC-nul. If you look nearly all items for sale in NPC-nul are 20%-50% more than Jita, and it has to be that expensive. If an order is placed at or below Jita, a neut or hostile always buys up the entire stock and relists for twice as much. After this happening 5-6 times I learned my lesson that everything for sale in NPC-nul has to be way overpriced.
Zapphire
OBT.
#22 - 2012-07-11 17:19:12 UTC
There is a post somewhere in Features and Ideas Forum (where stuff like this belongs) about options for standings to have an impact on either discounts or surcharges on market orders.

I suggest you and this thread go there and search it out.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1613701&#post1613701
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#23 - 2012-07-11 17:22:11 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
my neutral alts laugh at your embargo.

Ah. So it would function much as embargoes do in the real world, then. Twisted

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-11 17:54:42 UTC
Schalac wrote:
In Perpetuum there was an option to sell on the market to corp members. I think EVE could do something like that but instead of just corp/allies, make it standings based. Add a small tax to the transaction to pay off or hire your own clerks, whatever fits story wise, and then those items wouldn't even show on the market for those not in the loop. Or even take it a step further and have a neutral/positive standing price and then a negative standing price.


The option is already there, and it's called "contracts".
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-07-11 17:55:51 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Yes, this is a great idea. We need an option to not sell to certain entities or, to only sell to certain entities. That right there is the answer to all the people saying 'neutral alts'. If you put an order up, you can make it for only corp/alliance mates thus making neut alts useless. Not only would this make high-sec markets more interesting and give the indy guy a way to fight back at their enemies economically by placing embargos, it would really help to make npc-nul more vibrant. Currently it is near impossible to have decent market hubs in NPC-nul. If you look nearly all items for sale in NPC-nul are 20%-50% more than Jita, and it has to be that expensive. If an order is placed at or below Jita, a neut or hostile always buys up the entire stock and relists for twice as much. After this happening 5-6 times I learned my lesson that everything for sale in NPC-nul has to be way overpriced.


How does that make it any different from any other trade hub? What do you think would happen if suddenly someone started selling crap in Rens for 20% below Jita prices?
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-11 18:11:53 UTC
So why's this thread not in the F&I discussion?

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#27 - 2012-07-11 18:27:52 UTC
good question ....

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#28 - 2012-07-11 18:36:50 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
So why's this thread not in the F&I discussion?


I have no Idea, it's been puzzling me.

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Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-07-11 18:38:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
It would make the market inefficient,...


Isn't that rather the point of an embargo?

And the fact that alts could still purchase is no reason not to be able to dictate that your items not be bought by someone else.
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-07-11 18:49:11 UTC
Orders both buy and sell only available to blues, this has potential.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-07-11 19:18:05 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
No. People can just buy with alts anyways.


Ding Ding Ding.

Half the posters on these forums are NPC market alts, after all.

Although I do like the idea of setting a 5000% tax on all my sell orders for anyone in an NPC corp...
Zapphire
OBT.
#32 - 2012-07-11 19:21:16 UTC
Xython wrote:
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
No. People can just buy with alts anyways.


Ding Ding Ding.

Half the posters on these forums are NPC market alts, after all.

Although I do like the idea of setting a 5000% tax on all my sell orders for anyone in an NPC corp...


If you use a "based on standings"... "market alts"... Becomes a moot point.

It's like talking with a 4 year old.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1613701&#post1613701
Terajima Kazumi
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-07-11 19:27:34 UTC
This will just create a less efficient market, benefiting no one except traders.
Boober Fraggle
#34 - 2012-07-11 19:28:59 UTC
Zapphire wrote:
Xython wrote:
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
No. People can just buy with alts anyways.


Ding Ding Ding.

Half the posters on these forums are NPC market alts, after all.

Although I do like the idea of setting a 5000% tax on all my sell orders for anyone in an NPC corp...


If you use a "based on standings"... "market alts"... Becomes a moot point.

It's like talking with a 4 year old.


Excellent point.

I HATE selling to 5.0 carebears.
Pipa Porto
#35 - 2012-07-11 21:51:24 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
When you put something on the market, have the ability to deny certain entities (people/Corps/alliances) from purchasing your product. Take it a step further and allow variable pricing structure. Allow entities you like or want to help, buy your product at a reduced rate.

Its a very real tool in RL to counter aggressive entities, would be awesome to see how it shapes politics here. This could be very interesting when alliances **** of the wrong carebears with their emergent strategies.


You can do exactly what you're proposing with the tools available.

They're called Contracts. Just keep a spreadsheet with your items and prices and forward it to your friends.

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