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Alliance Tornament X - What a joke

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Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#41 - 2012-07-11 13:17:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Claymore
Claymore
Scimi
Harpy
Harpy
Harpy

UUuughh


Right..... there definitely weren't any counters that ROFL stomped this setup. It's good but it definitely has a couple counters.

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#42 - 2012-07-11 13:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Matius Toskavich wrote:
Well the abilty to make a deal to make it through to the next round, doesn't make much of a tornament. This is the thing that I am so dispaointed with. To see the big names of EVE fighting it out, piloting skill and mistakes is something that was I was looking for, not the ability to pay off the other team to get through.

Yes, there hae been some interesting fights, but what is real? What do I try to strive for as a newer player? The ability to fly or just pay someone off?

No such matches have occurred. Or would you like to point them out?

The only examples of deal-making thus far have been teams offering (and sometimes accepted) money such that instead of there being a scenario where a frigate kites for 2 or 3 minutes, the match ends abruptly and full points are awarded.

"What do I try to strive for as a newer player? The ability to fly or just pay someone off?"

If anything, the tournament should be showing you that combat in EvE is never removed from the bigger picture.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#43 - 2012-07-11 13:33:17 UTC
Best thing about these deals, when someone uses them to scam ISK and then win.

Too bad no one has successfully done that yet (as far as I know).
ISD Stensson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-07-11 13:36:29 UTC
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Fish Brain
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#45 - 2012-07-11 13:47:12 UTC
You should have moved it to a grave instead.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-07-11 14:01:53 UTC
Fish Brain wrote:
You should have moved it to a grave instead.



Along with the tournament.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Ophey Won
Inviolable
Omnivores
#47 - 2012-07-11 14:41:04 UTC
Oh great another thread about how Meta-gaming is wrecking the alliance tournament. Not sure i got the breath to keep telling people this has always happened in the alliance tournament. I wish all the deals where made public. That way you would know just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Most people go there entire eve life and don't realize that maybe a few hundred people control most everything in eve. The huge war in Delve is going because a couple of guys thought it would be fun for a summer deployment, but then a few guy decide to challenge them. Poof you now have thousands of people fighting in Delve. These same people control the mineral, Moon goo, PI and almost every other commodity in eve. They have thousands of people doing there bidding in the name of bettering their alliance. They have trillions of isk at their disposal. Spies in every alliance of note. And they know who the other people of power are. Of corse these people are going to try to wield their power over the alliance tournament.

Test could of very early used a private chat to broker their deal. I don't think Test really thought they would take the deal. But deals have happened in every alliance tournament. Deals like alliance A telling alliance B what alliance C is bringing to the match. Why because alliance A would rather fight alliance B in the next round. Or is it because they want alliance B to bring the wrong counter and have alliance C win. Maybe in the pre qualifiers alliance D pays billions for alliance E to bring a full 50 points and put sub standard pilots and FC in to the tournament. You know so they get experience. Oh look alliance D won the match.

I am not saying ever match has meta-gaming, but know it happens way more then you think or hear about. Wining about is not going to change it. CCP know they can not stop it all. So they make rules that say if the Meta-gaming makes for bad tv they will step in. If your alliance or the alliance you are pulling for did not do well, blame their spy network. Blame the fact that they did not make a better deal or trusted the wrong people.

Well I guess I had more breath then I thought.
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-07-11 14:54:15 UTC
oh god. this thread.

we've not even started the tournament proper yet anyway, normally the qualifying happens behind closed doors, and already it's the worst tournament ever?

impressive.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-07-11 17:05:36 UTC
If I am reading this right...

Hydra makes deals and plays amazingly.... permanent ban from tournament enforced by a series of lies and an unaccountable kangaroo court that does not need, or is even able to, present any evidence.

Anybody else makes deals, especially anybody allied with some alliance that maybe sreegs and soudwave still get a semi-on for, and that makes the tournament exciting.

I think I get it.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-07-11 17:10:00 UTC
The butler did it.

No sig.
Ophey Won
Inviolable
Omnivores
#51 - 2012-07-11 17:48:38 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
If I am reading this right...

Hydra makes deals and plays amazingly.... permanent ban from tournament enforced by a series of lies and an unaccountable kangaroo court that does not need, or is even able to, present any evidence.

Anybody else makes deals, especially anybody allied with some alliance that maybe sreegs and soudwave still get a semi-on for, and that makes the tournament exciting.

I think I get it.



Lol. you mad?
Lemster
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-07-11 18:12:36 UTC
CCP have made it very clear that the tourney is not an extension of the sandbox, that it is a tightly controlled 12 v 12 straight up fight.

It would be great if that could be absolutely enforced, but I guess that's not always possible. There is also presumably an exception for some deals made in local during the fight.

To people who insist that match fixing is so rife that the outcomes are pretty much set and that the rich and politically powerful can control who gets through, I would point out the list of alliances who were knocked out in pre-qualifying. It includes some of those more powerful groups. Also the list of those who qualified includes some who are good at small gang pvp but have no other financial or political power.

A lot of people are talking in near absolutes. These things tend to be shades of grey in between.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-07-11 18:24:28 UTC
Ophey Won wrote:
Zowie Powers wrote:
If I am reading this right...

Hydra makes deals and plays amazingly.... permanent ban from tournament enforced by a series of lies and an unaccountable kangaroo court that does not need, or is even able to, present any evidence.

Anybody else makes deals, especially anybody allied with some alliance that maybe sreegs and soudwave still get a semi-on for, and that makes the tournament exciting.

I think I get it.



Lol. you mad?


Have you ever had somebody (or 3 people) from CCP come onto a public forum and tell lies about you?

ATX: The best of the rest.
Ophey Won
Inviolable
Omnivores
#54 - 2012-07-11 18:39:04 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
Ophey Won wrote:
Zowie Powers wrote:
If I am reading this right...

Hydra makes deals and plays amazingly.... permanent ban from tournament enforced by a series of lies and an unaccountable kangaroo court that does not need, or is even able to, present any evidence.

Anybody else makes deals, especially anybody allied with some alliance that maybe sreegs and soudwave still get a semi-on for, and that makes the tournament exciting.

I think I get it.



Lol. you mad?


Have you ever had somebody (or 3 people) from CCP come onto a public forum and tell lies about you?


i could only wish i could have that happen. wow to play with the cool kids....
DeadPool MercWithAMouth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-07-11 19:01:14 UTC
So far I must agree that this knockout run of the alliance tournament has proven the unbalanced nature of races & ships. The idea at one time was; each race had specialized tactics in combat thus; obviously, giving bonuses to their ships accordingly. Each e-warfare tactic should be viable in the game (TQ) and the alliance tournament, if flown to proper effect by the pilots. Many people state that “a balanced ship design is boring and stagnate”. I must disagree; balanced races (and corresponding tactics) will maximize possible ship fits and workable possibilities. There will never be a “the one fit” that’s optimal. The point value in the Alliance tournament can be used in conjunction with the statistically least flown ships as a guide for ship improvement (unless they have a niche field/roll in TQ that makes them an unlikely candidate such as a HIC). I would be happy to see an equal number of Absolutions & Astarte’s as sleipnir’s (and win just as often).
B'reanna
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-07-11 19:30:44 UTC
as to the meta gaming: most of the people complaining about it i notice arnt even in the at, or are atlest unwilling to post on mains. so unless youve personally taken part you probably have little or no clue what really goes on. complaining from ignorance just tells us that you don't realize how this works. ie. theres this game called eve that have certain rules called game mechanics. then the at imposes some more rules. then people playing in the at try and figure out how to bring the best setup. often this involves copy or stealing ideas form others. then in the actual matches one can win by cobinations of 3 ways better piloting, better setup, knowing exactly what the other sidet is probably bringing. obviously any of the 3 can and do win matches but its by having 2 or 3 of these that allows you to have a good chance of wining. and i dont know about the other allainces but pl plays to win.

as for the throwing of matches theres a big diffrnce between one team paying 2 bill to kill the last kting frig and some team intentionally loose the match. most of the so called deals at this stage involve the former not the latter



DeadPool MercWithAMouth wrote:
So far I must agree that this knockout run of the alliance tournament has proven the unbalanced nature of races & ships. The idea at one time was; each race had specialized tactics in combat thus; obviously, giving bonuses to their ships accordingly. Each e-warfare tactic should be viable in the game (TQ) and the alliance tournament, if flown to proper effect by the pilots. Many people state that “a balanced ship design is boring and stagnate”. I must disagree; balanced races (and corresponding tactics) will maximize possible ship fits and workable possibilities. There will never be a “the one fit” that’s optimal. The point value in the Alliance tournament can be used in conjunction with the statistically least flown ships as a guide for ship improvement (unless they have a niche field/roll in TQ that makes them an unlikely candidate such as a HIC). I would be happy to see an equal number of Absolutions & Astarte’s as sleipnir’s (and win just as often).



this is indeed what happens look at some of the recent ship balancing changes
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-07-11 19:40:14 UTC
Ophey Won wrote:
Zowie Powers wrote:
Ophey Won wrote:
Zowie Powers wrote:
If I am reading this right...

Hydra makes deals and plays amazingly.... permanent ban from tournament enforced by a series of lies and an unaccountable kangaroo court that does not need, or is even able to, present any evidence.

Anybody else makes deals, especially anybody allied with some alliance that maybe sreegs and soudwave still get a semi-on for, and that makes the tournament exciting.

I think I get it.



Lol. you mad?


Have you ever had somebody (or 3 people) from CCP come onto a public forum and tell lies about you?


i could only wish i could have that happen. wow to play with the cool kids....


It's actually the worst possible thing you can imagine to happen to you in a game you've played and contributed to for years. So be careful what you wish for, for one day it might be you wishing to all the gods that Internal Affairs department actually existed.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Ophey Won
Inviolable
Omnivores
#58 - 2012-07-11 19:47:27 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
Ophey Won wrote:
Zowie Powers wrote:
Ophey Won wrote:
Zowie Powers wrote:
If I am reading this right...

Hydra makes deals and plays amazingly.... permanent ban from tournament enforced by a series of lies and an unaccountable kangaroo court that does not need, or is even able to, present any evidence.

Anybody else makes deals, especially anybody allied with some alliance that maybe sreegs and soudwave still get a semi-on for, and that makes the tournament exciting.

I think I get it.



Lol. you mad?


Have you ever had somebody (or 3 people) from CCP come onto a public forum and tell lies about you?


i could only wish i could have that happen. wow to play with the cool kids....


It's actually the worst possible thing you can imagine to happen to you in a game you've played and contributed to for years. So be careful what you wish for, for one day it might be you wishing to all the gods that Internal Affairs department actually existed.


Well i am glad your not being ambiguous about this mater. I understand exactly what your talking about.

All I got out of it is you think CCP is the SS of old.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#59 - 2012-07-11 21:24:49 UTC
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
There is no such thing as a fair fight in EVE.


This is a Tournament, not a skirmish in a gate or a blob fest to get a system. I understant your point but that should not apply in this kind of events.

And you make it sound that pvp in eve is the most simple thing and we both know it's not.


You're living in a fantasy world if you think anything in EVE is fair or not some form of PvP.
Andrest Disch
Doctrine.
FEARLESS.
#60 - 2012-07-11 21:28:54 UTC
Ophey Won wrote:

Well i am glad your not being ambiguous about this mater. I understand exactly what your talking about.

All I got out of it is you think CCP is the SS of old.




CCP is literally Hitler.




Also, damn this thread just continues to get worse.