Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So as an idea for a new structure that can be put up in your home system why not a (Cloaky Jammer), to place this jammer in the system that you have sovereignty in. As a sample plan that could be worked out later in time by the devs strategic would have to be at five. I feel like the Cloak setup right now is simply for lack of a better word too OP. A cloaky scout can enter the system, go to a safe spot and never be found unless he makes a mistake or wants to be found. If the Jammer sounds to OP than anything that the community could work out to add to this problem would be helpful.

Thank you for your time,
BioShock

hogwash, "too op"?

You know what would be "too op"? a structure that works system wide..... or a structure you can setup close enough to a gate that it impacts gate runners trying to circumvent camps.

This is really a dumb idea.. it would make power blocks in null sec even harder to crack then they are now. and recon would be impossible...

Why are you so worried about cloaking players?

Local shows you that they are present in the system, so you can already take defensive measures.

What is the problem?

So, set a trap for them.

They have no way of knowing if you have a cyno ship ready to counter drop.

Send out mission runners, or miners, whatever the case may be. Use several. While waiting for the cloaky to react, you are missioning and mining, etc.

Put them all in a defense fleet.

Have a POS with your cyno boat standing by, and some defense pilots in caps ready to react.

When the cloaky guy comes to drop, have your fleeted cyno boat launch towards your grid the moment the cloaky guy starts his cyno.

By the time he arrives, the drop ships should be arriving. Instant counter drop.

Kill mails for everyone.

Ahahahah Yes I do Mine, but thats not all I do. carebear* in peace, no I would acutally like to have a chance to kill cloakies who sit in a system for weeks doing nothing.

We are straying off topic, simply put eve simply doesn't offer any equipment or time based skills to counter cloakies. Thats all I'm getting at so why not talk about that instead of whats going on right now.

So instead of stupid and irrelavant comments, please if your going to comment talk about either a way to get these concerns to the devs or your own thoughts and ideas on how to tackle the issue at hand. And if you don't think this is a issue than good for you your input isn't needed here.

There are mechanics that help you counter cloaking ships. You're just seeing things from a narrow point of view (i.e. you think every module has a "direct" counter). Here are some ways to get around AFK cloakers:

- Have everyone who wants to rat in the same fleet so you can all warp to each other if problems occur (yes, effort).
- Have one or two people in Taranii flying around system as a "rapid response team" (Stealth Bombers HATE small, fast, high-DPS ships).
- Don't min/max your fits for ratting... PvP fit them (i.e. omni-resists, warp disruptor, Warrior II drones, heavy energy neutralizer) so you can give your interceptor buddies time to get to you (yes, this will cut into your ISK-efficiency... boo hoo).
- Alternatively, have someone with you in a plex/sanctum/anomaly in a super-sebo'd arty-fit Muninn/Tornado/Maelstorm. Not only can they assist you and help you clear things up faster, but they are very menacing to slow, tankless Stealth Bombers.
- Falcons, Rooks, and Kitsunes can jam hostiles from long range so miners can warp away.
- Logistics ships. Use them for their intended role: keeping people who don't want to die, alive.
- Change up your ratting tactics. Use range and/or speed rather than plain "gank and tank." Stealth Bombers can't move all that fast when cloaked.
- If you are really skittish... use a cheaper, more "disposable" ship. Yeah, the Tengu will be able the clear out a plex in under an hour without breaking a sweat... but a T2-fit Cerberus or Raven is a fraction of that and takes... what? A 15% to 20% reduction in ISK-efficiency? Maybe a bit more effort too? That sounds fair for risking 80 to 90% less of your ISK.
- Check the killboards of the guys cloaking in your system. You can guesstimate their "active times" by seeing when they get most of their kills.
- If you are afraid of normal cynos, get a cyno jammer in your system. If you are afraid of covert cynos... use the above tactics. Very few ships can use covert cynos and those that can either have no tank or a targeting delay. Use this knowledge to your advantage.

Also...

even tho I'm a carebear, I recognize that covert-ops ships should keep their role as "untouchable".

I would love to see a modification to cloaking for ships that aren't ment to (all ships that can't fit the covert-ops cloaking device)

So make those run on cap but no cap recharge while using it.

Why?

There are already negative sides to using a cloak. You can't warp with it. You move so slowly that if someone even catches a glimpse of you (which they probably will when you decloak and recloak after going through a gate) they'll be able to decloak you. Your targeting times are terrible with one fitted. You lose a high slot.

I honestly cannot see why people complain about cloaks. They're not over powered. It amazes me how many people who live in nullsec are more frightened than high sec denizens.

Pretty much this. Teamwork in nullspace seems to be non exisitent outside the blob. If you rat a system you will curse anyone else coming there to rat and tell them to get lost... I have seen that behaviour many many times while I lived in nullsec. Instead of flying together sharing the bountys people seem to only think of themselves. Compare that to WH space where teamwork and co-operation is part of every day life. On the other hand wormhole people are not afraid of a lack of local either.



Well, simply put eve simply doesn't offer any equipment or time based skills to counter local. That all I'm getting at so why not talk about that instead of what going on right now.

Remove local and AFK cloakers wont bother you in the slightest no matter how long they are there... active cloakers may bother you, but not the ones that are AFK...