Warfare & Tactics

And on the topic of LP-multipliers: Wouldn't 80/100/140/220/380 be much better than the present 25/50/100/200/400 ?




P.S: @Cearain I've put the notification and plex thing into a new thread, I think it's very worth talking about

With this systems players will potentially be getting 40k lp per minor plex. They will be getting 120k lp for a mission. Plus that lp will not really be all that valuable. So throwing the lp around won't be that hard. I really don't know what to think of it tbh.

I think the current mechanics actually make for a wealthier faction war as a whole. I think the losing side should be able to develp strategies to get back to tier 5 themselves and then they will be able to cash out. But we still need see how this sorts itself out.

I havent finished reading all the replies...Im actually playing :)

I think its cheesy from both fronts because the Amar have no interest in bettering their space. They are only interested in it for the isk instead of the mechanics.

The gals are NOT even close to the same boat as the Amar you simply want to use someone elses work to achieve free ships.

The mechanics allow it but its still cheesy .

You cant use the amar's excuse

And I disagree witth Amar coming over.

The tier system should not be applied to the whole faction.

It maybe better applied at corp level or an individual pilot level and require meeting several criteria on a regular basis to maintain a tier level. If you stop plexing/pvping/donating lp/mission running you/your corp/your alliance loose its tier level.

Why does someone elses actions that i have nothing to do with effect my "loyalty" to my faction? positivley or negativley.

Im in mini fw btw.

And when Amarr runs out of systems, then what? Every locust swarm heads to Black Rise and props up Gallente militia. Hell, I think this is already occurring and some people are even using a certain loophole in the system to further their gains.

So basicly we in Caldari militia leadership are taking some steps and with some luck and critical mass, we can use said loophole to make complete mockery of things, perhaps even finally kill FW for good or at least in it's current form.

Edit: As Bad Messenger said. When Ankh wanted to revamp lp store and boost missions, we in Caldari warned it would turn FW into a mission grinding fest. It happened and Caldari were blamed for suddenly exploiting system with farming grounds in Oicx & Ladi/Vifre.

Then CCP wanted to turn plexes to loyalty point ATM's, again Caldari warned what would happen. CCP went ahead with it anyway and again, Caldari predictions more or less came true and again, Caldari get the blame for exploiting things since we can speed tank plexes and make LP (well duh...welcome to last decade again).

See the pattern? If it concerns FW, ask a Caldari (= Damar Rocarion or Bad Messenger). Lots of people know little, few know quite much but in some regards there are only couple of guys who have full grasp of things. To make silly real life compramison, you would not ask G. W. Bush to explain you about history of the Middle-East, you would ask this man.

Realistically I don't think amarr would start basing out of a system if they new minmatar just had to throw some lp at the system to lock them out.

As far as flipping the consequences system.

I fear that this would ultimately lead to neither would upgrade their space at all. The tiers go so fast that you would have to constantly be throwing lp at it. We would still get lp for plexing but there would probably be even less interest in capturing systems.

Thats why instead of calling amarr who join caldari and continue to fight on the amarr front cheesy, you should encourage this. People joining caldari and fighting on the amarr front are not doing it to run caldari missions which does nothing but cheapen your store. Moreover the pvp itself doesn't really help much.

The main reason we would do this is to get better pay for plexing. By preventing a complete collapse and forcing minmatar to stay here we are helping you quite a bit.






I love guessing games.

Ok I don't think you will try to do what goons did.

Are you going to all join your alts corps in the minmatar and gallente and win all the caldari systems back?





I certainly never blamed you for taking advantage of problems with fw. I, at least, agree with you that it is important that we play the game as rationally as possible. That is the only way ccp can identify flaws in the game. I agree that to have a game rely on scouts honor not to do certain things is agreeing to failure.

Warning Wall of Text: Mostly directed toward the CSM and CCP.

Ok FW comes down to this, it is a game not a job if I have to spend every waking moment I am online running plexes for nothing I get bored and stop playing.

This focus on PVE and Sov warfare has turned FW into a farmers dream and has in most cases destroyed the fun that was FW. Let’s assume that the intention behind CCP’s changes was to force more PVP by increasing the amount of hands on work needed to further your militia’s goals. This is only relevant if people actually care about the militia they are a member of if I could care less if the Amarr own a single system how would this new group of mechanics force me to help? For example, 90% of the “RP” players for the Amarr have either left or are overwhelmed by the farming alts of the Minni’s and even farming alts of the Amarr so they are either regulated to beating their heads against a wall day in and day out or leaving to do something more fun.

I will state it again EVE is a game not a job if you want people to care about FW then make it rewarding to PVP in FW and kill your enemy instead of making it profitable for those who can use a 1 month old alt to orbit a button and make billions. It should be an epic struggle between factions not an epic struggle to cash out your horded gold so you can show off your wallet.
As for the Caldari militia they have had the advantage of an army of farmer alts which has allowed their mainline PVP groups and leadership to worry about strategic planning instead of spending days on end plexing down a ton of systems so the current system is working out well for them at the moment however with the fall of the Amarr the combined group of the Gallente PVP corps and the Minni farming alts will quickly overwhelm the Caldari through sheer numbers. If you want to counter that and show the FW community that you actually care about it then reverse this 4X LP cost crap so the Amarr can at least buy ships and reset their space so they actually stand a chance, unless it was your intention to ensure the minni’s had a massive advantage on patch day.

There have been countless threads showing how the Amarr are at a massive disadvantage in numbers, ship effectiveness, space design, and plex NPC’s yet its 100% their fault they have less than 10 systems. While I do agree that there are groups within the Amarr militia that could make a huge difference in the course of that war they have chosen to enjoy their FW experience and the rest of FW is punished for it resulting in the Minni militia being able to hit Tier 5 almost at will and the farmers to rake in billions of ISK.

Once again EVE is a game and meant to be fun not a job so if you want to fix FW take the PVE core away from it and make PVP and fun rule the experience not a savings and loan bank filled with government bailout money. If FW players wanted Sov battles and blob warfare they would have joined a 0.0 alliance but they didn’t they joined their militia so they could have fun and fight the good fight for their militia.

Countless times before the latest patch the player base told CCP that this was a bad idea and that this would happen and they were ignored, many people stood up and told you that this would only result in exploitation of the mechanics but were dismissed as doomsayers. Now we are here with the Minni’s taking the majority of Amarr space before patch night and beating them down further with farmers, and the Caldari are next on the list for the farmers and CCP cannot fathom why this happened.

EVE is OUR game not just CCP’s game. I understand that CCP has a vision and an overall goal but we play this game daily, we see how to exploit CCP decisions, and we pass that information along to you through our CSM’s yet the only people ever listened to are those who will benefit from the changes you want to make while those of us who actually care about things such as FW are ignored as doomsayers until time and again they are proven correct. Stop putting your head in your “sandbox” and start listening to those people who care just as much if not more for your game as you do. We operate in your sandbox daily and we know how to game your system so when we tell you that if you make this decision this is how people are going to exploit it to make money then listen to us not those individuals who have zero interest in things such as FW.

Yes I am aware I am not currently in the Militia.

How do you get so much misinformation?

You are also the guy who posted how disappointed you were that hans was not leading the amarr to victory. Just saying.

Soon you will be on the same team as that cheesy Cerasian guy.

Not trolling, just admitting there is a massive screw up which CCP has not spotted (surprising, eh?) and which might result in last shreds of FW going down the s.itters.