Warfare & Tactics

You have to be part of the FW clique. lol

For each show, Spence does his homework and research on the ideal candidates to interview by scouring forums and other stuff.

Who was arguing around 1:05-1:10 that it's okay that the Amarr LP (or anyone's LP at T1/T2) is as worthless as it is?

The whole "spike it and cash out" system is fail and it seemed like everyone was agreeing that a % increase in LP earned real-time for the tier levels would be a much more effective systems for everyone except that one guy. Are they braindead? Could they elaborate more on why they think it's fine as it is?

Faction Warfare no matter how you look at it is a PvE enterprise though, without getting in an RP perspective the whole point of FW is working for an ingame faction to gain control over the enemies space, yes this includes thankfully LOTS of pvp and its great, YES it should be more of a factor in determining overall success, and weve seen things like gaining LP for kills getting attention, however the fact will always remain this is a PvE sandbox where currently we gain control by orbiting a plex button 30 times then shooting an NPC bunker.

The whining for this comes from the fact a person in a dual fitted frigate can do this completely risk free, and dare i say under crazy conditions can then fit lasers and take down the system if nobody bothers with him. That needs to be addressed and getting farmers to kill the rats is a pure base line simple fix.

Just to note for people who cant bother listenin to the whole thing, there is a hilarious discussion about capitals which ends 1hr 40 mins in, the guy even goes as far as to suggest for cyno jammers. in low sec. they actually said that.

In all honestly the round table discussion had some interesting suggestions come up and i respect all that took part, but the vast majority was stuff that has been said a thousand times and even the good suggestions had heavy bias.

The most interesting part in the whole thing was the suggestion on how to fix the market, but what would be more interesting would be a dev to take part and simply state what was doable and a timeframe, it would certainly stop all the bs whine threads and let people be content with some real answers.

I wonder why you even try to improve your game play.

If you manage to find solution that creates more subs for CCP it will be implemented right away, but if not no one is interested about it.

Inferno was boost for alts and as we can see people swarm those a lot and ccp gets more subs and players get more isk so they can pretend that 0.0 is good place.

Now invent more ways to add alt accounts.

I put it out on my show and on Twitter for about a month prior to the Roundtable, had some bites, and did some research into guests. Some were available, others weren't, and some were pulled in to the call semi-last minute to fill some seats by recommendation from others on the panel.

Future roundtables will be handled the same way; we have a Mining & Industry panel coming up in about 6 weeks; in 2 weeks, I'll start asking for volunteers.


Thanks to all who came on the show; appreciate the time and effort!

My answer: We're allies. I was pissed at the SOTF/WBR debacle for the same reason, we're allies. Having two allied militias that can help each other like this is in my opinion a release valve for when one side is dominating the plexing war.

Not to mention, the same thing happens on the Amarr side. I believe during that conversation I-LAW said they're going Caldari but staying in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone. I wouldn't be surprised to see more corps follow. No point in dooming the Amarr or Gallente guys to ****** LP stores when neither has the numbers to resist the plexing front in their warzones.

And sure, we have plenty of space to plex, but guess what? Last I checked Caldari plexes almost double the nearest militia - even the dominating Minmatar. You have successfully leveraged your militias superior numbers to your advantage, and I don't see us being able to counter that anytime soon. In the meantime, I'll continue to resist but get LP worth a damn.

Finally, it's not like this is an undocumented loophole or something. in the dev blog announcing these changes CCP had specific examples of how people from different militias were rewarded with their own LP for operations against the diagonal militia.

Could you elaborate on this? Are you telling everyone that is complaining that the pricing is too brutal for the losing faction to HTFU, or calling them liars?

If you're surviving just fine off the income made as a member of a losing faction, maybe you could explain to everyone what you're doing differently then they are...

I thought it was a great podcast. Great guests with allot of different views. Most know the faction war mechanics very well.


My views:

I think people tend to agree that 1) plexing is most efficiently done as a pve activity and agree 2) that is a problem. Which is good to hear.

Timer countdown idea to help address that seemed to be well received without any objections.

CCP will hopefully continue to balance the npcs and do something so they don't interfere with pvp.

The rest of the issues were really non-issues imo.

As far as keeping the lp pricing the same and just changing the lp payout - I'm not sure. The lp of the winning side would get watered down no doubt.


Plus this would mean its easier to upgrade systems with lp. Part of the reason minmatar don't want to upgrade systems is because each lp is valuable. If everyone in minmatar had 4xs as much lp yet the store only gave preinferno pricing then it would not be that hard to keep the systems upgraded.

I think the current mechanic where each side should plan big warzone flips is better for faction war in the long run.

System upgrades aren't really an issue. Although I do concede it would be better if people were forced to save that lp that otherwise drains out of the system when enemies offensive plex.

I really think that if they fix the npcs imbalances and make plexing a pvp game instead of a game for alts then fw isn't so bad as it is currently set up.

Missions - they are fine the way they are but perhaps tone down the payouts to be more in line with plexing.

The big question is how to make plexing a pvp system. (I don't mind that missions are pve) It seems everyone identified the problem as people hiding and running plexes when no one is around. Why not make it so they can't hide with a notification system? It seems the obvious solution.

At the same time, it wouldn't even allow the losing side the glimmer of hope that one day their LP might be worth something more. (But at least they wouldn't have high sec bears getting stuff cheaper than them).

IMO, the base LP store shouldn't get any worse than it was pre-inferno even if you own 0 systems. It should get better with better warzone control though.