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Sansha Ship Rebalancing?
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Brynhilda
Chimp Hoons Export and Expo Service
Scary Wormhole People
#1 - 2011-10-08 21:37:12 UTC
With all this talk about ship re balancing and hybrids getting a buff, what about our least used pirate ships?


Sure, the Nightmare is the most expensive but that's because its used in grinding Vanguards and nothing else.

And look at the Phantasm and Succubus. Almost no one uses these and yet, we have incursion frigates capable of taking down a Battleship in little to no time.

Are the Sansha ships going to get buffed?

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2011-10-08 21:58:38 UTC
All they may need could be some more cap and maybe shield recharge rate or shield capacity. Other than that, they're pretty damn fine.

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Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-08 22:00:14 UTC
nightmare is fine, but buff the other sansha ships.

i have a feeling the other pirate cruisers need a look at too.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2011-10-08 22:25:17 UTC
phantasm is horrible on paper.
So I decided to never try it in space Big smile
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#5 - 2011-10-08 22:28:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
Ship bonus: all thermal damage done by small/medium/large energy turrets is converted to explosive damage.

Want Phantasm that simultaneously hits the weakest parts of shield and armor plz. Maybe then I'll slap the PvP fitting back on and ditch the bajillion EHP undock trolling setup. Probably not though.

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Brinxter
Bite Me inc
#6 - 2011-10-08 22:35:59 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Ship bonus: all thermal damage done by small/medium/large energy turrets is converted to explosive damage.

Want Phantasm that simultaneously hits the weakest parts of shield and armor plz. Maybe then I'll slap the PvP fitting back on and ditch the bajillion EHP undock trolling setup. Probably not though.



Lol, can i see that EHP fit?


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Ive tried the Phantasm in pvp, sadly since i was always killed first, i have no idea how it does, more survivability sounds awesome tho! :D
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-08 23:05:10 UTC
And buff the Cynabal too. It's just too damn slow.

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Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#8 - 2011-10-08 23:15:27 UTC
Headerman wrote:
And buff the Cynabal too. It's just too damn slow.


Needs some more agility too, amirite?

But really, boost the phantasm/succubus, NM is pretty decent. I want my spiky frig to be half as good as it looks.
Brynhilda
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Scary Wormhole People
#9 - 2011-10-09 14:04:58 UTC
Honestly, I think something silly like additional power grid, an additional hard point on the Phantasm and Succubus and changing the tracking bonus to optimal range.

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Ruby Hotrod
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-09 15:07:14 UTC
There is nothing wrong with the ships mentioned on this post. You are just not fiitting them correctly.
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
Evasive Maneuvering.
#11 - 2011-10-09 15:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Faffywaffy
Succubus should be fine once the dramiel is nerfed.
Phantasm is decent: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13080247
Nightmare looks pretty nice on paper, although I haven't tried it yet.

Overall, Sansha ships are not bad, but they lack that special ability that makes the other pirate faction ships so interesting (speed/agility for Angels, 90% web+damage for Serpentis, 90% web+neuts for Blood raiders). The tracking bonus is not interesting enough.
Lakshmii
Korona Radiata
#12 - 2011-10-09 15:39:40 UTC
I can only speak for the Nightmare as it's the only Sansha ship that I've tried, and I'll tell you what, I like that I can effectively have another tracking computer built right into the ship. Let me keep it please!

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Brynhilda
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Scary Wormhole People
#13 - 2011-10-09 19:30:59 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Succubus should be fine once the dramiel is nerfed.
Phantasm is decent: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13080247
Nightmare looks pretty nice on paper, although I haven't tried it yet.

Overall, Sansha ships are not bad, but they lack that special ability that makes the other pirate faction ships so interesting (speed/agility for Angels, 90% web+damage for Serpentis, 90% web+neuts for Blood raiders). The tracking bonus is not interesting enough.


What fit do you use on that Phantasm? I always thought that a Phantasm could drive off a Cynabal but never to where it could hold it long enough to kill one.

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