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Why !!!! CCP Why !!!! Cut it out Already

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Pipa Porto
#81 - 2012-07-10 00:15:34 UTC
DeadPool MercWithAMouth wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


If you can't hold it down, you're not going to be able to kill it unless you alpha it (which is easier if it's ASB fit). Doesn't matter if it's buffer or ASB, you just won't kill it.


I just mentioned killing several ships, then moving out of range then back in (if there's still someone needing death) would be the tactic and is used by every vaga pilot. Keeping point on a target is obviously a requirement for death in most cases. keep up with the covo bud.


Yeah, and that's always been the tactic of every Vaga pilot. Now they just don't have to wait as long to recharge, but they only get a limited number of runs.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

DeadPool MercWithAMouth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-07-10 00:20:01 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
OMG ENJOY THIS AWESOME NEW MOD COMPLETELY, BEFORE THE NERF-HAMMER RAINS DOWN!

Getting all upset tho is just funny. Haven't you seen all the other nice, overpowered things that got nerfed throughout eve's history?

Heres to me hoping lots of vets get owned by noobs! Big smile



Hahaha, this is true.. I just feel sorry for Gallente & believe it or not Amarr as well. Nevery thought i would see they day i would stand-up for the Bajoran's of the eve universe Ugh.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-07-10 00:20:21 UTC
Dio Chrysostom wrote:
I want to keep playing EvE so much, but as it stands with the changes already made and the ones Propsed to be made. I find myself with nothing left to play for.

contract you stuff to me and give me all your isk before you biomass
DeadPool MercWithAMouth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-07-10 00:21:40 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


Yeah, and that's always been the tactic of every Vaga pilot. Now they just don't have to wait as long to recharge, but they only get a limited number of runs.



I'm sure nobody will every think to put a cargo can 120km from a fleet fight full of cap boosters. Roll
Pipa Porto
#85 - 2012-07-10 00:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
DeadPool MercWithAMouth wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Yeah, and that's always been the tactic of every Vaga pilot. Now they just don't have to wait as long to recharge, but they only get a limited number of runs.



I'm sure nobody will every think to put a cargo can 120km from a fleet fight full of cap boosters. Roll


Still a limited number of runs and something that can easily have a trap set at it.


Edit: By the by, how is a Vaga fitting an X-L ASB that takes 200CPU and 500 Grid without spectacularly gimping itself?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#86 - 2012-07-10 01:08:34 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
DeadPool MercWithAMouth wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


If you can't hold it down, you're not going to be able to kill it unless you alpha it (which is easier if it's ASB fit). Doesn't matter if it's buffer or ASB, you just won't kill it.


I just mentioned killing several ships, then moving out of range then back in (if there's still someone needing death) would be the tactic and is used by every vaga pilot. Keeping point on a target is obviously a requirement for death in most cases. keep up with the covo bud.


Yeah, and that's always been the tactic of every Vaga pilot. Now they just don't have to wait as long to recharge, but they only get a limited number of runs.


Very true. ASB are much easier to alpha than a buffer fit, and are much more limited in duration.

Once the Vaga pilot is out of charges, if he survives that long, he needs to disengage because at that point he is MUCH more vulnerable than a buffer fit.

Frankly, if you don't have the tactics down to stop an ASB fit vaga you also don't know how to stop a buffer fit Vaga.

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2012-07-10 01:10:21 UTC
DeadPool MercWithAMouth wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
DeadPool MercWithAMouth wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
DeadPool MercWithAMouth wrote:
Their is no counter.


You mean besides waiting 60s for charges to run out?

Or with 2 of them, waiting until the cargo empties?


I wish the charges ran out in 60 sec., but instead they run out when ever enough dps has been applied, and then takes 60 seconds to reload. This is not a counter, its an attribute of which many people are perfectly fine to accept, especially for ships like the vagabond which will burnout 90Km then fly back once reloaded. Many people also bring up, well you should adapt.... this is also not the issue (about individuals), its about ship balancing as a whole and this module limits the number effective combinations on ships doesn't expand on it.


How's that different from a buffer Vaga running away to recharge?

If you can't hold something down, you're never going to kill it.


Hows it diffrent?!! the vaga can tank over 1000 dps, pop several ships and repeat over and over. ****, how can you even compare it to a buffer. The vaga wouldn't even have its sig radius expanded by shield extenders, so it would be a pain in the ass to kill.


1) A Vaga can't tank 1000 dps UNLESS you gimp the fit and if you do that you're not 'killing several guys"

2) You can do your exact scenario in a buffer vaga, while still carrying a neut to ward off light tackle, you can't in an ASB fit

3) You're not going to be filling your gaping kinetic hole on an ASB fit Vaga because of the required fitting mods.


I have never seen so many tears from frustrated try hards that have run into a new module that they dont' fully understand (here's were all you start raging about how you understand it but its OP, only if you understood it you'd realize its NOT really that bad).

This thread reads like a bunch of guys who use AFK booster alts are having a hard time killing a few guys who don't but instead are taking advantage of a new module that doesn't care about your stupid booster alt.

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Dio Chrysostom
The Star Of Marx
#88 - 2012-07-10 01:37:59 UTC
Oh maybe I did not make myself clear on the cost of the ship. First off I was the last of my buddies to even throw 1 single faction mod on my ship. And In no way to I equate how much I spent on my ship to my chance of winning, every module on my ship is carefully planned out for maximum benefit and minimum drawback. trust me i am well aware that cheap ships can blow up expensive ships especially when the expensive ships are piloted by people that got 1000 blob kills during a nullsec war then come to HS thinking they are top dogs in PvP (Cough Cough Test Cough Cough)
Pipa Porto
#89 - 2012-07-10 01:43:53 UTC
Dio Chrysostom wrote:
Oh maybe I did not make myself clear on the cost of the ship. First off I was the last of my buddies to even throw 1 single faction mod on my ship. And In no way to I equate how much I spent on my ship to my chance of winning, every module on my ship is carefully planned out for maximum benefit and minimum drawback. trust me i am well aware that cheap ships can blow up expensive ships especially when the expensive ships are piloted by people that got 1000 blob kills during a nullsec war then come to HS thinking they are top dogs in PvP (Cough Cough Test Cough Cough)


Who cares how cheap your ship was.

You snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory when you nearly lost it to a Drake.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-07-10 02:55:38 UTC
If you want to quit EVE, quit, don't make up this stupid excuse for quitting.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-07-10 10:13:15 UTC
Well it's undeniable OP did some piloting mistake, I mean 1K dps in optimal that Drake should have never been able to remote his tank unless he fitted 2 large ASB and run them one after another, but this means that Drake was gimp as hell to fit it like that.

However with a gank Prot 1K dps you should have drones (ECM) and with 140K EHP that drake should never go away because :Cap Booster Charges:

1-that Drake guy was everything but a noob and was quite well fitted

2-OP was shooting from max range with shortest range ammo and didn't had drones thus doing 1/5th of his theoretical dps

Just another day and another fight somewhere in new Eden Lol

brb

Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-07-13 18:57:06 UTC
Dio Chrysostom wrote:
I want to keep playing EvE so much, but as it stands with the changes already made and the ones Propsed to be made. I find myself with nothing left to play for.



Sounds to me like you need to roll with the changes and adjust. Adapt and overcome. Im less than 7 months old so maybe im just at the beginning of the experience curve and have not seen everything you have yet, but i wonder if you have not become a little to jaded and regimented into "your way" of think about this game.

Have fun. If you do lose your ship, oops. Figure out how to beat the ASB fit your talking about.


By the way, i just learned of this wonderful mod and am currently redesigning all of my fits to dual weild this booster. Gonna be fun times ahead ;)

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!

Quaaid
Phoenix Foundry
#93 - 2012-07-13 19:59:44 UTC
itt: Double clicking anywhere in space other than the direction of the whelp drake that is ganking your t3 in order to run away equates to pvp skill and module imbalance.
Kalamaari
Perkone
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-07-13 20:09:21 UTC
Referring to the OPs post and the view of CCP dumbing down EVE, well the fact that DUST is coming out on the PS3 it makes me wonder what influence SOE has. This wouldnt be the first game SOE got their fingers into and ruined
TotalRapeage
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-07-13 20:15:27 UTC
Dio Chrysostom wrote:
Let me start by saying that I have over 40 million SP which means I can fly both Gallente (Armor Tanks) and Minimitar ( Shield Tanked) at a high level (I.E. Both tank types skills all at 5 and both races BS 5). So I really have no reason to complain about the ASB other than the following reason.

As far as "Ancillary Shield Boosters" go.

Having already gone up against this mod in an actual fight I learned 1st hand how OP it was. I did not die to the complete noob that was flying the drake at 3-4 months old. But I nearly did, the only reason I made it out alive was not because I won but because I used my PvP skill to position myself properly to burn out of his point range. This would not be so disturbing if not for what I was in. I was in a Proteus with 140k EHP pushing near 1000 DPS with an overloaded speed of 1400 m/s. For those of you who don't know those stats are right on par with lower tier Battleships (Save the speed) and it was a cruiser size ship which means he would be hitting me for even less due to my signature radius. Even with all those odds in my favor I almost lost a 3 billion isk ship to a complete noob with 4 months worth of SP and no prior PvP experience. I wanted to go back for 2nds but had no way in which I could refit to counter what he had other than fitting a new ship with some ASB's of my own.


If this does not S*** upon everything that Eve PvP has always been about, then I don't know what would. I was left wondering why CCP would create a mod that would simplify pvp for players so extremely and it dawned on me. CCP is trying to dumb this game down to a point where a 9 year old can just log in throw a mod or 2 on his ship then go Pew Pew blow someone up or at very least not die himself and then go back to watching barney or something while he poo's on himself. Their motives for this you may ask ? well the answer is simple "Profit:" CCP dev's and Gm's get pushed to increase player base by their bosses, like a L*** of the night gets pushed by her P*** to make him money. This cause Dev's and Gm's alike to panic and make such drastic changes to core gameplay mechanics in a desperate attempt to generate new player base.



According to a recent "Dev Blog" i read (Ship Rebalancing) they are planning to make it way easier for newer players to get into the specialty ships that us Veteran players had to lust over for months before we could fly. They propose doing this by removing requirements like cruiser V to be able to fly a command ship. A lot of the changes they have proposed making contradict themselves for instance they may be possibly nerfing the drakes resists in favor of a "Rate of fire" bonus but then they introduce a ridiculously overpowered shield mod like the mentioned ASB.



In the end after I have dug my heels in the ground for years refusing to follow countless buddies that quit eve due to CCP's BS I am left with nothing to do in game anymore other than mine (I will quit eve before I mine), run incursions (Boring) or go Blob in Nullsec (The Politics Are ********) or go role play with FW in lowsec (Filled with Horrible Pilots). HS warfare has been rendered nearly obsolete except for the largest of corps/alliances due to the the price increases and the new mercenary exploit being used as a way to get free wardecs turning HS into a blobfest of its own. Me and many of my friends find CCP has backed us up against a wall with their heavy handed and profit motivated will. Im sure they would justify it as 'We are just trying to stay relevant" but let there be no mistake CCP is doing what
Blizzard did to its loyal fan base in favor of profit. As for me and my money I am gonna stick it out to see if they re-adjust some things by the end of summer if they have not i am gonna take my money somewhere else. Somewhere that respects and relishes diverse PvP at multiple levels and is still years away from selling out for profit (If ever)


Fly Safe Y'all o7

Dio Chrysostom/Euriphedes/SilentAsDeath/Apple Tile White/The Mixtress (Yes I have that many accounts)



Quit the game already and stop posting for nerfs you dam carebear. Go play Wow. Eve is a sandbox, stop trying to nerf the sand.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#96 - 2012-07-13 20:24:13 UTC
Kalamaari wrote:
Referring to the OPs post and the view of CCP dumbing down EVE, well the fact that DUST is coming out on the PS3 it makes me wonder what influence SOE has.
Why would they have any influence? If they did, why would it extend to EVE? Moreover, what does it have to do with the OP doing silly mistakes when faced with a module that was a much-needed addition to the game?