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Dust514 the War Room and EVE
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#1 - 2011-10-08 11:55:24 UTC
I have question about one of the Dust514 and the War Room.

The room was described in this blog: http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/2041/tools-of-the-trade

So this meeting room is only for dust players or will it also connect to EVE and corp offices, becoming a place of EVE and Dust players to meet?

Quote:
The life of a mercenary is about fighting, but taking over a planet is no small task, so players will find themselves spending a lot of time in the War Room – a 3D lobby where players can go over their vehicle and character fittings; stock up on items from the corp inventory or the marketplace; chat with fellow corp members or once-off hires; scrutinize potential strategies and just generally get ready for the battles to come. Each War Room supports a maximum of 32 players at once. Players navigate the social spaces in DUST (of which the War Room is the first) in third-person.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#2 - 2011-10-08 12:02:57 UTC
That feature is Dust only, although there is a comparable feature for Eve that is planned for Incarna; corp headquarters.
Nandy Cocytus
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-10-08 13:39:05 UTC
mechtech wrote:
That feature is Dust only, although there is a comparable feature for Eve that is planned for Incarna; corp headquarters.


Fingers crossed for awesome.

So it goes.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-08 18:02:49 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
I have question about one of the Dust514 and the War Room.

The room was described in this blog: http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/2041/tools-of-the-trade

So this meeting room is only for dust players or will it also connect to EVE and corp offices, becoming a place of EVE and Dust players to meet?

Quote:
The life of a mercenary is about fighting, but taking over a planet is no small task, so players will find themselves spending a lot of time in the War Room – a 3D lobby where players can go over their vehicle and character fittings; stock up on items from the corp inventory or the marketplace; chat with fellow corp members or once-off hires; scrutinize potential strategies and just generally get ready for the battles to come. Each War Room supports a maximum of 32 players at once. Players navigate the social spaces in DUST (of which the War Room is the first) in third-person.


With the fall of WiS comes the fall of DUST514. CCP might as well come out and say it now, while their being super honest with us and themselves. Don't string people along for the next year about this game. That'd just be bad. I personally have already moved on from the thoughts of DUST. Since it just wont be squat without WiS.. LoL

These two things were supposed to be intertwined. There's is no longer the EVE support factor for developing DUST. Don't waste our time or your development money CCP.

WoD, EVE or DUST pick something and get it right.. Cause right now being stretched is just delaying everything. DUST will become the next Startcraft Ghost..
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#5 - 2011-10-08 18:09:29 UTC
Dust is not being designed to share environments with EVE from the outset, its something they hope to achieve later on. Furthmore, Dust is not being designed to rely solely on EVE. If either product fails then CCP knows they need to be able to keep the other going without it.

Their hope is obviously for both to succeed and grow together, but the delay to establishments does not mean that Dust can't go ahead. We just won't be walking around in the same rooms any time soon.

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malfoy
Harabec inc
#6 - 2011-10-08 18:12:57 UTC
could have told you that the day they were sold out and went one console only.


get yourselves a new boss guys this one sold you down the line. and i don't mean hilmar or anyone at ccp.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-08 18:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
Ugleb wrote:
Dust is not being designed to share environments with EVE from the outset, its something they hope to achieve later on. Furthmore, Dust is not being designed to rely solely on EVE. If either product fails then CCP knows they need to be able to keep the other going without it.

Their hope is obviously for both to succeed and grow together, but the delay to establishments does not mean that Dust can't go ahead. We just won't be walking around in the same rooms any time soon.


DUST players are supposed to be getting their directive straight from EVE players. Defending their planets and whatnot. WiS was supposed to bring you out of your ship so you could go abouts and do those things.

Now EVE no longer is focused in that direction. Meaning that DUST no longer has the support it was intended to have nor the interactivity. They'll have to scrap the vision they have for DUST and develope it as its own standalone game. Not something that is to be tied in with EVE. That would be moot at this point.

Therefore scrap DUST514 vision or release a game that wont have anyone playing it once they realize the other "half" of their game is missing..
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#8 - 2011-10-08 18:22:01 UTC
would be cool to invite 400 people to my CQ and make a race to the balcony and back.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Equto
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#9 - 2011-10-08 18:48:19 UTC
malfoy wrote:
could have told you that the day they were sold out and went one console only.


get yourselves a new boss guys this one sold you down the line. and i don't mean hilmar or anyone at ccp.


See here is the funny part, they didn't sell out to one console. That was the only console that said " yes, you can connect to a server outside of the network". Microsoft, the people you love so much, would have either demanded X amount of profit every time a connection outside of live is made and/or said servers have monitoring software on them so that they can access the user data " for their needs".

What do you think will have more fallout " Hey eve pilots, we are bringing dust to the 360 as well but we must give over all your personal information to microsoft" or " were going sony only because microsoft is too closed"
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2011-10-08 18:58:13 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:

DUST players are supposed to be getting their directive straight from EVE players. Defending their planets and whatnot. WiS was supposed to bring you out of your ship so you could go abouts and do those things.



You don't need WIS to interact with Dust players. All you need is an interface of some sort.

Now if only they had some sort of room you could sit in with a big screen in front of you...

Mr Epeen Cool
Aldan Romar
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-08 19:50:37 UTC
I must have missed the news that WIS failed, I thought it would be fed in smaller doses from now on...

Other than that, I can't remember WIS ever being a prerequesite for DUST-EVE interaction. They sure put thoughts into that direction, but that would just have been brainstorming.

I'm not sure I read a definite answer to the DUST-EVE interaction question, I guess it could be anything from a chat interface over a contract system, teamspeak, towards a fully fledged character interaction area.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#12 - 2011-10-08 20:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ugleb
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
Dust is not being designed to share environments with EVE from the outset, its something they hope to achieve later on. Furthmore, Dust is not being designed to rely solely on EVE. If either product fails then CCP knows they need to be able to keep the other going without it.

Their hope is obviously for both to succeed and grow together, but the delay to establishments does not mean that Dust can't go ahead. We just won't be walking around in the same rooms any time soon.


DUST players are supposed to be getting their directive straight from EVE players. Defending their planets and whatnot. WiS was supposed to bring you out of your ship so you could go abouts and do those things.

Now EVE no longer is focused in that direction. Meaning that DUST no longer has the support it was intended to have nor the interactivity. They'll have to scrap the vision they have for DUST and develope it as its own standalone game. Not something that is to be tied in with EVE. That would be moot at this point.

Therefore scrap DUST514 vision or release a game that wont have anyone playing it once they realize the other "half" of their game is missing..


The core DUST-EVE interaction is PI. EVE players hire Dust mercs to fight for control of the planets. That then leads on to the combat interaction of Dreadnoughts bombarding Dust battlefields or Dust mercs using 'skyfire batteries' to shoot down ships in space.

The ability to walk around in a station is not vital to either of those game mechanics. It would simply look good. Incarna was not all about preparing for Dust514, Tyrannis was. Dust is the other half of the PI feature and that has been 'incomplete' for some time already.

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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#13 - 2011-10-08 20:08:21 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
Dust is not being designed to share environments with EVE from the outset, its something they hope to achieve later on. Furthmore, Dust is not being designed to rely solely on EVE. If either product fails then CCP knows they need to be able to keep the other going without it.

Their hope is obviously for both to succeed and grow together, but the delay to establishments does not mean that Dust can't go ahead. We just won't be walking around in the same rooms any time soon.


DUST players are supposed to be getting their directive straight from EVE players. Defending their planets and whatnot. WiS was supposed to bring you out of your ship so you could go abouts and do those things.

Now EVE no longer is focused in that direction. Meaning that DUST no longer has the support it was intended to have nor the interactivity. They'll have to scrap the vision they have for DUST and develope it as its own standalone game. Not something that is to be tied in with EVE. That would be moot at this point.

Therefore scrap DUST514 vision or release a game that wont have anyone playing it once they realize the other "half" of their game is missing..


In that aspect you are wrong. The other 3 CQ, establishments and eventually corp offices and war rooms are still coming. The fact that the next expansion will bring some needed maintenance to other aspects of EVE does not mean the development is dropped.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-08 20:25:28 UTC
Holy **** the tinfoil hat in this thread is strong.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Temple Marketeer
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-10-08 20:51:47 UTC
malfoy wrote:
could have told you that the day they were sold out and went one console only.


get yourselves a new boss guys this one sold you down the line. and i don't mean hilmar or anyone at ccp.


CRY MOAR FANBOI

OH, sweet sweet fanboi tears

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malfoy
Harabec inc
#16 - 2011-10-08 20:59:36 UTC
should have said backer not boss. mistake on my part.
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-08 21:07:59 UTC
Considering there is absolutely no multiplayer support/net code in Carbon (smrt move CCP) I'd say war rooms are years away.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-08 22:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
Ugleb wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
Dust is not being designed to share environments with EVE from the outset, its something they hope to achieve later on. Furthmore, Dust is not being designed to rely solely on EVE. If either product fails then CCP knows they need to be able to keep the other going without it.

Their hope is obviously for both to succeed and grow together, but the delay to establishments does not mean that Dust can't go ahead. We just won't be walking around in the same rooms any time soon.


DUST players are supposed to be getting their directive straight from EVE players. Defending their planets and whatnot. WiS was supposed to bring you out of your ship so you could go abouts and do those things.

Now EVE no longer is focused in that direction. Meaning that DUST no longer has the support it was intended to have nor the interactivity. They'll have to scrap the vision they have for DUST and develope it as its own standalone game. Not something that is to be tied in with EVE. That would be moot at this point.

Therefore scrap DUST514 vision or release a game that wont have anyone playing it once they realize the other "half" of their game is missing..


The core DUST-EVE interaction is PI. EVE players hire Dust mercs to fight for control of the planets. That then leads on to the combat interaction of Dreadnoughts bombarding Dust battlefields or Dust mercs using 'skyfire batteries' to shoot down ships in space.

The ability to walk around in a station is not vital to either of those game mechanics. It would simply look good. Incarna was not all about preparing for Dust514, Tyrannis was. Dust is the other half of the PI feature and that has been 'incomplete' for some time already.


OKAY! LoL Lets just look at all the DUST514 intro's and future of EVE videos on Youtube. Do you seriously think they did that vision wthout a fully implented WiS? The guy going to the window to check out the planet. WIS with plenty of capsuleers around him in the same room. Looks like some minor meeting area or establishment

The red-head checking him out as he's leaving and heading to his CQ/War-room, pretty sure there was some WiS there. That same woman then coming up behind him after his orbital strike on DUST players again she had to WiS to get there.

No, they might not have said outright that DUST514 needed WiS to work, but from what they portrayed through their videos and "Future of EVE" / EVE Forever. It clearly shows how CQ/WiS was to be fully implemented with DUST514..

Please people, take off the "dunce caps" and replace those with the tinfoil ones, at least then you'll be in tune to the cosmic signatures of CCP's cloak and dagger deception..

DUST514 is just that now.. DUST.. The game wont survive without the support of EVE players. Also considering how much people bitched about WiS/CQ in general I can't see those very same complainers wanting to interact with DUST players. That would be somewhat hypocritcal of them playing with "Space Barbies" that don't even OWN space ships or have anything to do with FiS..
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#19 - 2011-10-09 11:44:27 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:

OKAY! LoL Lets just look at all the DUST514 intro's and future of EVE videos on Youtube. Do you seriously think they did that vision wthout a fully implented WiS? The guy going to the window to check out the planet. WIS with plenty of capsuleers around him in the same room. Looks like some minor meeting area or establishment

The red-head checking him out as he's leaving and heading to his CQ/War-room, pretty sure there was some WiS there. That same woman then coming up behind him after his orbital strike on DUST players again she had to WiS to get there.

No, they might not have said outright that DUST514 needed WiS to work, but from what they portrayed through their videos and "Future of EVE" / EVE Forever. It clearly shows how CQ/WiS was to be fully implemented with DUST514..

Please people, take off the "dunce caps" and replace those with the tinfoil ones, at least then you'll be in tune to the cosmic signatures of CCP's cloak and dagger deception..

DUST514 is just that now.. DUST.. The game wont survive without the support of EVE players. Also considering how much people bitched about WiS/CQ in general I can't see those very same complainers wanting to interact with DUST players. That would be somewhat hypocritcal of them playing with "Space Barbies" that don't even OWN space ships or have anything to do with FiS..


Do you seriously think marketing videos represent the current state of game development? Take a look at this trailer for Dominion November 2009. That flashy 'UI' stuff is representative of the kind of thing CCP intend to develop for EVE in the future (they have said so). It does not exist yet and is not a 'fully implemented' feature, even if it was put into the video.

The EVE Forever video is a 'future vision' show piece, not representative of the current game(s). Do CCP have Incarna running internally? I'd hope so, they've been working on it since 2006. Is it 'fully implemented'? Obviously not as its going to release a full year late judging by CCP's current release plans. It was made to look cool, not show off game mechanics.

But my point is more simple than all that. In order for Dust to Interact with EVE we will not need full body avatars to stand in the same virtual room as a console player to tell them what to go shoot. That functionality can be delivered through a more traditional UI or if it must be in a station then via the CQ's. The games are supposed to interact between planet and orbiting space ship. They can get around not having players of both games standing in the same bar.

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Carcosa Hali
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-10-09 13:05:44 UTC
Dust players and Eve players were never meant to share the same room... At least not initially. The link between Eve and Dust was supposed to be chat rooms, forums, market, probably Eve Voice at some point. But no... they never planned for Dust bunnies to be able to come to our WIS establishments...

Therefore the focus away from establishments will have exactly zero effect on Dust.

I know you guys are really hard up to yell "I told you so!!!!" and all, but you're going to have to try a little harder with your DUSTFAIL masturbation fantasies....
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