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Generals4
#41 - 2012-07-09 15:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
Private Pineapple wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
Gratz to Minnies!

But now thing might turn interensting on Cal-Gal front - since there is no any more plexes in Amarr space to farm all those minnie characters and minnie alts of amarr character will came to caldari plexes so...
Cladari militia will have to deal with Gallante militia AND Minmatar militia AND Amarr militia (since de facto they will be there with minnie alts). 1 militia against 3 militias... I guess that will be too much even for old hard caldari veterans... but who knows, future will tell. Cool


INTERESTING?! All i spend my time doing is chasing incursus's, merlins and drams that flee the moment they spot a WT. Nothing interesting about that just annoying as f*ck. Still waiting for CCP to remove LP rewards from capping plex's of the secondary enemy to enjoy the ensuing tears.


Implying we can't do FW missions when there are no Amarr-controlled systems left? Even now a lot of our missions are located in Minmatar-controlled systems that is actually Amarr space. So we really don't need the Caldari plexes to get LP.


In order to do lvl 4 missions you need standing. Which is something you don't have with fresh alts. An other mistake CCP did, removing the standing req to join FW.

Also: If you didn't need it you wouldn't do it.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#42 - 2012-07-09 15:51:13 UTC
For all you Minnie alts looking to still cash in.... There lots of Caldari plexes to farm, but they are not as easy as Amarr plexes. Hopefully you've been training your plexing alts up a bit so they can fly a dual rep Incursus. Big smile
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-07-09 15:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
Generals4 wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
Gratz to Minnies!

But now thing might turn interensting on Cal-Gal front - since there is no any more plexes in Amarr space to farm all those minnie characters and minnie alts of amarr character will came to caldari plexes so...
Cladari militia will have to deal with Gallante militia AND Minmatar militia AND Amarr militia (since de facto they will be there with minnie alts). 1 militia against 3 militias... I guess that will be too much even for old hard caldari veterans... but who knows, future will tell. Cool


INTERESTING?! All i spend my time doing is chasing incursus's, merlins and drams that flee the moment they spot a WT. Nothing interesting about that just annoying as f*ck. Still waiting for CCP to remove LP rewards from capping plex's of the secondary enemy to enjoy the ensuing tears.


Implying we can't do FW missions when there are no Amarr-controlled systems left? Even now a lot of our missions are located in Minmatar-controlled systems that is actually Amarr space. So we really don't need the Caldari plexes to get LP.


In order to do lvl 4 missions you need standing. Which is something you don't have with fresh alts. An other mistake CCP did, removing the standing req to join FW.


It requires standing to accept the missions. People can then share missions with fresh alts and get them up to sufficient standing in relatively little time. Most of us already have the standing required because most of us are not fresh alts.

Even then, the fresh alts completely on their own can do level 1s, then 2s, 3s... until they get enough standing for 4s. The cool thing is that FW missions give a ton of standing increases from what I've observed (or I am just dead wrong but somehow got standing somewhere!?!?).

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Generals4
#44 - 2012-07-09 15:56:27 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:


It requires standing to accept the missions. People can then share missions with fresh alts and get them up to sufficient standing in relatively little time. Most of us already have the standing required because most of us are not fresh alts.

Even then, the fresh alts completely on their own can do level 1s, then 2s, 3s... until they get enough standing for 4s. The cool thing is that FW missions give a ton of standing increases from what I've observed (or I am just dead wrong but somehow got standing somewhere!?!?).


And who cares about that? You can run missions if you want. Doesn't change the fact the whole plexing thing has gotten out of hands. There are many who obviously don't want to go through the hassle that are missions, which is proven by the amount of winmatar alts crawling over cal space. So yeah still waiting for it all to be fixed (the tier bonuses, the fact you don't need to kill the npc's in plex's, the fact defensive plex's are often a waste of time, etc.)

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-07-09 16:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
Generals4 wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:


It requires standing to accept the missions. People can then share missions with fresh alts and get them up to sufficient standing in relatively little time. Most of us already have the standing required because most of us are not fresh alts.

Even then, the fresh alts completely on their own can do level 1s, then 2s, 3s... until they get enough standing for 4s. The cool thing is that FW missions give a ton of standing increases from what I've observed (or I am just dead wrong but somehow got standing somewhere!?!?).


And who cares about that? You can run missions if you want. Doesn't change the fact the whole plexing thing has gotten out of hands. There are many who obviously don't want to go through the hassle that are missions, which is proven by the amount of winmatar alts crawling over cal space. So yeah still waiting for it all to be fixed (the tier bonuses, the fact you don't need to kill the npc's in plex's, the fact defensive plex's are often a waste of time, etc.)


Forum ate my post... d'oh.

Most of the people who are plexing are those who cannot do level 4s. The people who can do level 4s are doing them because level 4s are far better than plexes in terms of LP and time taken to complete the mission. A person running level 4s can make a million LP in one day while a plexer can make as little as 10k upwards to 300k LP per day with muuuuuuch more time taken and it really depends on luck to some extent too to find the plexes.

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Blood Thorn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-07-09 16:10:42 UTC
I ran a Caldari Minor in a T1 fitted Rifter as a test and had no trouble.

As for the Amarr, my hope is that the Amaar government sues for peace, the Minmatar FW pilots get some reward (perhaps some unique FW shuttle), and the zones get reset. Smile
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-07-09 16:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
Blood Thorn wrote:
I ran a Caldari Minor in a T1 fitted Rifter as a test and had no trouble.

As for the Amarr, my hope is that the Amaar government sues for peace, the Minmatar FW pilots get some reward (perhaps some unique FW shuttle), and the zones get reset. Smile


Rifters can do Caldari Minors/Mediums just fine, however you may see some difficulty on the "advanced" minors (not Outposts) and most likely will not be able to do the "advanced" mediums (not Outposts).

I've been experimenting with many Vigil/Rifter fits and I've come to the conclusion that it is pretty much impossible to do a Caldari Major in a T1 frigate - at least for Minmatar T1 frigates. I do know that T2 ships can do Majors, however.

EDIT: And yes, I wonder if anything special is going to happen if we ever reached 100% warzone control. I wonder if CCP has anything planned. It would be cool to see some sort of a lore announcement and zone reset, but as for the rewards I have no idea.

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2012-07-09 16:32:44 UTC
Yes, lets all give suggestions as to what rewards are appropriate to hand out to a faction who would/could never be anywhere near 100%, much less 55%, were it not for the borked balance (NPCs/Geography). They messed up when they gave medals/recognition to Caldari way back when and as much as I love having more mud to throw in CCPs face ... Smile

Wonder if CCP will manage to get some semblance of balance in place for FW's five year anniversary .. will probably be some ham-fisted "all is equal" approach though, so not sure FW will be much better for it, not that it matters much now that FarmVille™ has been entrenched and nigh impossible to oust again (high pitched whining makes forums bleed!).

Hoping beyond hope that sovereignty changes to null will be small gang PvP focused so that there will be at least one place in Eve where one can get non blobby fights with one side not even having weaponry installed.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-07-09 16:39:19 UTC
The plexes and pelxing are not the problem. The problem is Amar not doing anything.

Im sure CCP did not plan on having an entire FW Side give up and have two of them beating down on one.

I hate missioning but enjoy plexing.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#50 - 2012-07-09 16:45:58 UTC
Nice job minmatar.

I was getting worried my minmatar mission alts would never be able to cash out all that lp.

I didn't want to buy stabbers at tier 4 prices.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-07-09 16:50:08 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
The plexes and pelxing are not the problem. The problem is Amar not doing anything.

Im sure CCP did not plan on having an entire FW Side give up and have two of them beating down on one.

I hate missioning but enjoy plexing.


Agreed. The fact is that because we have so many systems, it's easy to outplex us.

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#52 - 2012-07-09 16:51:00 UTC
Maybe CCP should reset Minmatar/Amarr factional warfare. I do believe the goon related manipulation has affected that war in a negative way. Goons were not the only ones btw and those others have seen their profits removed. Forget all that crap.

Once this was all found out by CCP maybe they should have reset the whole thing. Maybe...

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#53 - 2012-07-09 16:53:31 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Nice job minmatar.

I was getting worried my minmatar mission alts would never be able to cash out all that lp.

I didn't want to buy stabbers at tier 4 prices.


Just admit it Cearain - I bet your minmatar alts are also running plexes while your main is complaining about imbalance in faction warfare.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-07-09 16:55:37 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Nice job minmatar.

I was getting worried my minmatar mission alts would never be able to cash out all that lp.

I didn't want to buy stabbers at tier 4 prices.


Just admit it Cearain - I bet your minmatar alts are also running plexes while your main is complaining about imbalance in faction warfare.


I run plexes while complaining about imbalance in FW. What of it?

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-07-09 17:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Andre Vauban
Private Pineapple wrote:

I've been experimenting with many Vigil/Rifter fits and I've come to the conclusion that it is pretty much impossible to do a Caldari Major in a T1 frigate - at least for Minmatar T1 frigates. I do know that T2 ships can do Majors, however.


You can run all Caldari plexes in a high skilled T2 fit dual rep Incursus. AFAIK, that is the only T1 frig that can run all Caldari plexes.

I farm plexes in the following:

[Incursus, Plexer]
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

75mm Gatling Rail II, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Antimatter Charge S

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I

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Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#56 - 2012-07-09 17:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Folks who written about reset on Amarr-Minnie front - forget about it. NOT going to happen.
Amarrs themselves admitted that they are plexing with minmatar alts (and got millions of LP).
Any reasonable man who will read it (and is by any chance from CCP) will say:"You got Yourself -snip- Now get out on Yourself as well." Of course if there will be any response on forums it will be more polite, but I doubt that CCP will honor request for reset with any response. So either Amarr militia will get their- snip- together and start to do something or they will be booted out to high sec and Minnies will get their shiny medal and officially declared as winner over Amarrs (as it was couple years ago with Caldari)..

Excessive profanity.

ISD Tyrozan
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#57 - 2012-07-09 17:27:15 UTC
Peteris G wrote:
Folks who written about reset on Amarr-Minnie front - forget about it. NOT going to happen.
Amarrs themselves admitted that they are plexing with minmatar alts (and got millions of LP).
Any reasonable man who will read it (and is by any chance from CCP) will say:"You got Yourself in this sh.t. Now get out on Yourself as well." Of course if there will be any response on forums it will be more polite, but I doubt that CCP will honor request for reset with any response. So either Amarr militia will get their sh.t together and start to do something or they will be booted out to high sec and Minnies will get their shiny medal and officially declared as winner over Amarrs (as it was couple years ago with Caldari)..



That's ultimately the issue really, the Amarr faction can play quite happily from hisec bases and continue the fight from there. (That's if they can somehow lose Sahtogas and Kamela while still outnumbering Matari fleets in the USTZ) - but I do agree with your position that it would be ridiculous to expect CCP to do a FW zone reset while the Amarr are admitting to running Minmatar alts to plex against themselves.

(that said it wouldn't be the first ridiculous thing CCP have done this summer.)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#58 - 2012-07-09 17:29:51 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Nice job minmatar.

I was getting worried my minmatar mission alts would never be able to cash out all that lp.

I didn't want to buy stabbers at tier 4 prices.


Just admit it Cearain - I bet your minmatar alts are also running plexes while your main is complaining about imbalance in faction warfare.



Nope missions are ok because it doesn't effect occupancy. Plexing is not ok. We have developed clear rules on this.

I would much rather that I would be able to get paid for running plexes with my main for amarr (or as caldari in amarr space) and doing pvp.

But that is pretty far from reality in faction war right now and its unclear whether ccp is even aware of the changes to make that happen let alone going to make them.

So we must "adapt or die" and all of that - you know. Fact is, I never even considered getting an alt in any other militia until inferno changes were announced.

Fact that I profitted aside, congrats to minmatar to getting people to pitch in. I do think it shows that what the goons did is not very important at all.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#59 - 2012-07-09 17:29:52 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Maybe CCP should reset Minmatar/Amarr factional warfare. I do believe the goon related manipulation has affected that war in a negative way. Goons were not the only ones btw and those others have seen their profits removed. Forget all that crap.

Once this was all found out by CCP maybe they should have reset the whole thing. Maybe...

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1. Goons did not affect the war at all. Look at what they claim to have done; look at FW mechanics. The chest-beating and shout-outs to Fweddit are just what you do after the hell of having TEST set blue has drained you of the last of your self-respect.

2. Enough damage has been done that a reset now would just be a wrapped LP present to the Minmatar militia. "OK, it's Monday? Well, I guess we screwed Amarr just a bit, so we'll reset everything Tuesday at DT." ranks as 'Trojan Horse' on a scale of bad ideas. Just think about it. What Would A Farmer Do? That said, if you wanted to do something like this, you would want a lot of fanfare and forewarning and probably a suspension of station lockout.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#60 - 2012-07-09 17:43:15 UTC
Meh! I was just saying MAYBE. There was no conviction behind my previous statement. The comment was mainly passé. However, there is something unquantifiable that 's manifested it self. MORAL seems to be @ a all time low in Amarr milltia and that meta aspect of this game is often important.

Makes more sense in a 0.0 enviroment, but maybe it's alot more applicable to factional warfare now. Especially since the recent changes to system mechanics.


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