Warfare & Tactics

This is utter BS, FWeddit are becoming as bad as the old guard. I am in one of the more active alliances, and I can tell you now, no one is casually cashing in billions, we are too busy enjoying pvp.

All this whining again and again is just masking the real problems. The Amarr have collapsed and are leaderless due to too many space egos destroying the militia. This is why everyone sits in station and forum posts.

Almost always when I am online, Kamela hovers at around 40-50 Amarr. This is in EU TZ. Their militia channel also is always in excess of 200+ as well. Amarr have the numbers, they don't have the will.

If you don't undock, you won't get ISK. If you do undock, you have plenty of systems to farm for LP. Your LP is easier to make as you can find systems to plex in pretty much unchallenged. Additionally, we have plenty overconfident players for you guys to kill and make LP from.

My pvp is happily covering my costs, with loot and LP, I am easily coming out ahead and don't need to mission or plex.

If the Amarr stop whining and actually formulate a plan instead of thrashing about hoping CCP will come and bail you out you guys could have a good chance.

From what we can see, there is no cooperation between the various Amarr groups, even in the same TZ, never mind between TZ.

This is what is killing the Amarr off. The lack of teamwork and defeatist attitude.

Ask around, and you will find out how effective Thrasher gangs can be, even against larger gangs. When the Amarr were steamrolling us every night, we took out thrasher gangs and picked them off. We couldn't hold the field for a good twelve months, but we never gave up undocking, and raping anything that moved alone or in small groups.

The most significant PVP difference between Amarr and Minmatar is that the Minnies have always loved frig/dessie gangs and run them, often in small groups. Sadly we can't bring them against Fweddit often because when you are facing a superior number of high DPS ships supported by ECM, you would be mad to bring something that couldn't tank through a couple jam cycles. If you guys dropped ECM, you would get Minmatar shipping to match ship sizes.

The Amarr have tended to do only larger gangs. I don't know why ,I suspect it is because it has always been much harder for Minnies to bring larger ships into the WZ as Amamake is our entry point. The Amarr could always bring anything easily into Huola/Kamela from high sec.

ROSS specialised in running small groups of 2-5 AF/dessies and with that could lock down about 3-6 systems. If a fleet turned up we would melt away, and then pick off stragglers. This has fed through to a lot of the Minmatar, and is probably a significant reason why Amarr now no longer run several small gangs or travel alone much.

You guys are in a beautifully target rich environment. You have so many over confident Minmatar running around, that with a small intelligently led gang you could rack up lolmail after lolmail. I wish I was Amarr sometimes.

FWeddit has gained a lot of respect from the Minnies for their attitude towards having fun. Now that you guys know you are facing a tough, organised, agile enemy you should prepare for a long slog. I know a lot of Fweddit thought they would steamroll us, but it never is that easy. Don't be disheartened, you guys are doing well.

Just don't buy into the whole sob story about how we are winning through ISK. Since I joined WEAZL I have averaged about 300m in losses a month, which is above average as I am often alone or doing stupid things.

Are you seriously saying your members can't afford that much ISK?

God I just don't understand what you minmatar don't understand. You are literally that spoiled rich white kid whose parents bought an amazing car for and paid a full private-school education (even though your grades aren't really that good) for...who is simultaneously telling a dirt poor kid he isn't going to college because he didn't work hard enough.

Christ.

You can make 300m in like, 2 HOURS with T4, much less T5. Alongside being extremely new to the game, most of Fweddit would have to spend like 30 hours to do the same thing. Who the **** wants to spend 30 hours a month plexing?

It's a vicious cycle; you guys are more than happy to offensive plex (and you have a metric-****-ton more people doing it) because your LP is worth absolutely ludicrous amounts of money. Because that is the case, the warzone will never switch. Any time any head way is made from the Amarr side, the Minmatar get all giddy because it's time to make some more money. Then, because your making that much money, you nom-nom on SFI's like you do cheez-its. An SFI is a few hours of plexing for an Amarr character; it's a few minutes for a minmatar one.

It's the first and oldest rule in eve; don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Then dont bust bunkers but keep them vulnerable and go for broke when time is right. And as some people say about joining Caldari, feel free and make good use of our ships. Since hookbill is best t1 frigate in the game and you can go nuts with navy ospreys and caracals (Both are very good in plexes) and silly missile spam. I recommed putting a nano to nosprey though so you will be faster than SFI

Hell, you can even base in place like Reisen/Otasela or Rokofur/Gultraten like PERVS did during first Metropolis offensive and rather than butting your head against Fortress Arzad, spread the fight a bit. You can make lp/isk there and if things get awfully boring, 0.0 is close for roaming and Hek is merely 7-8 jumps for some high-sec camping/ganking. Or base in Amo, shut their fw agent and camp Hek gate in Amo.

Plenty of possibilities all around space.

You have the ships you need, you are just using them in the wrong way. I've run around down there you guys have tons of Thrashers & Rifters all over the place. You need to use them as gank fleets and do hit & runs. 5 Thrashers will kill any BC in less than 30 seconds.

Even with noob skills the average T1 fit Thrashers easily puts out 200 DPS. 5 x 200 DPS is 1k.. No BC can tank let alone a SFI, specially when you will actually have more DPS than that. They are flying predicable ships and having 1 Griffin in that gang of Thrashers allows you to gank targets that stray from the group.

No you can't fight them head to head yet, but you sure as hell can make them bleed.

You guys need to set up a clear path for your corp with some goals if you want to become successful outside of just being a corp for lols. You guys can have an effect on the war zone and get a ton of kills while doing it.

Self-imposed exile can do you lot of good, like happened for me after that time in Dal. Was well refreshed and eager to return to Caldari front after piling matar corpses high.

Perhaps one day I shall return to "rusty throne" though it's unlikely, if only for the fact that if I occupy Dal, there wont be any missioners coming to station anymore

Actually, I am more like that smart white kid that has worked hard for a few years with all my friends and thanks to that hard work and good relationships developed over time, I am now in a position to receive an above average income.

You know, that smart white kid you are probably jealous of in real life

If it helps, think of the Minnies as upper middle class people, partying hard, working hard, holidaying hard.
In fact, we are enjoying all the benefits of life and our comms are filled with laughter.

Sure looks like working together is paying off for us.

So sorry for you that life isn't working out. Why don't you sit on a Minmatar bus and see if anyone notices?

Why do you feel entitled to have enough isk to pvp without actually doing any work?

I can do that, but it is because I win more often than I lose, so profit from pvp. Is it unfair then that you are crap at pvp? You should complain on the forums about how bad you are.

This isn't even close to being a remotely constructive forum post. People like you who fuel arguements and crap on threads that could potentially yield interesting conversations about game mechanics and fixes are only making the job of the FW CSM, Hands "The Hat" Jagerblitzen and people who care about the good of FW as a whole even more difficult. How about you troll after CCP is done giving us our FW iterations and we're all happy with the awesome system we got instead of during.

Well like all these conversations they go round and round and round (seems like a plex) and get's nowhere and isn't fun (also seems like a plex)

Let's just leave it as Amarr is toast, nobody is going do bother with the system stuff any more and just be done with it.

lol.. no resets as that would be the final nail in CCP's sandbox coffin, the very next conversation would be to reset Null due to Tech breaking it etc as the arguments would be identical.

As for the blaming/complaining/begging??

Well I admit it..

Everything that went bad for Amarr has been my fault, I made lots of mistakes in life and they've all doomed the Amarrian side but what is past is past and everyone can now move on to something interesting instead.

I wish your alliance made a remix recruitment or promo video of Willow Smith "Whip My Hair". I think that would be cool. I whip my slave back and forth ROFL. I could only imagin how funny that video would be.


Btw I've petitioned your allliances name. I find it offensive and makes light of a serious issue for many oppressed people. People are still struggling for their freedoms today So, change your alliance name because it offends me. Thank you!

- Role playing mode back on