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Dredd 3D, $45 mill budget, fail?

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#1 - 2012-07-08 10:18:00 UTC
Embarrasingly poor trailer

Don't even know where to begin...

So, Judge Dredd is being re-booted from the 90's - and regardless of what you thought about that film, if you had seen it, it had the right look to it.

Dredd looked good, MegaCity One looked good, the guns looked good and The Cursed Earth looked good. The 90's film sadly had major plot and script issues, and was partially overshadowed by The Fifth Element two years later. My point is, it got the look right.

This, looks like utter garbage - and the wide angle shots of mega-city one look exactly like someone just cut and paste the exact same tower block a hundred times in 3D MAX, probably because someone did cut and paste the exact same tower block one hundred times, and then rendered it.

If you can be bothered; freeze frame the trailer when you see a shot of Dredd's bike - then come back and give an opinion about it that is positive.

Then there is the plot and script.

This film has been written by Alex Garland, those of you will know this is the original writer for 28 days later. So...fuckin'...what.

I never respected him as someone who could come up with good dialogue, or memorable characters - there was always a clear distance between them and the audience - Sunshine in particular had this problem. As a result, never felt like I cared about the characters in the film.

This I feel is problematic when you got a story with people who are trying to get from point A to point B, with 'someone/thing/entity' trying to kill you, or you are trapped in a room with no way to get out - which is a general theme of the films he writes (he is writing "Logan's Run" right now).

So wtf is the plot of this film? Similar to other films written by Alex Garland; a bunch of characters we probably will not care about have to get from point A to point B, whilst being pursued by someone who is the creator of the macguffin. Which is this film is a drug called 'slo-mo' which has got to be one of the most stupidest names for a drug in a film ever.

This drug does what is says on the tin, though - as it 'slows down reality to 1% of normal speed' or in other words 'it allows for convenient slow motion sequences to give your low budget comic book film more depth.

And the motivation of the villain? Well, this is quite possibly the most contrived reason ever: because she used to be a prostitute and now wishes to enact vengeance on those who gave her a scar and brutally beat her.

Riiiiight.

So, the only way a female can be considered a drug overlord in a Dredd movie is if she is an ex-prostitute...like, that's it? The thought of just being smart didn't occur to the writer? OR, perhaps, I don't know, just being opportunistic and saw a potential corner of the market that could be exploited and took her chances on making a pile of cash? Had to be 'twisted & broken' in some way, because that's the only time that a women is motivated to empower themselves, isn't it Roll

No, it had to be a ex-prostitute - because the writer can't write convincing characters and needs to explain logical behavior illogically, and use soap-opera-level-drama (S.O.L.D.)

So then we get to the scenes...which is basically a mish-mash of every single survivor horror movie, and a few others which spring to mind; like 'The Warriors' and, funnily enough, 'Logan's Run'. Where there is the constant threat of dying to whatever foe presents itself, against a backdrop of lawlessness, and distraught characters facing increasing odds the closer they get to point B.

Basically Dredd has to get out of a tower block controlled by the villian, and at the end of the film (which they put in the trailer) Dredd throws her through a plane of glass and she falls to the bottom of the tower. No doubt half-way down she takes some 'slo-mo' and experiences her death at 1% of normal time, or ironically she doesn't.

And now the budget.

$45 mill is not a lot of cheese to make an adaptation of Judge Dredd - in fact it's kind of insulting to think a film like this didn't attract more money, or could be considered a 'Dredd Movie' with this level of budget.

Total Recall, has $200 million budget - and if that isn't enough; the original Judge Dredd 1995 had a budget of $70 million...17 years ago.

I think it will fail, but probably have some Dredd fans saying it is the Second Coming for the next few minutes, until we get a decent budget applied to another Dredd film.

The only positive thing I can think of saying about this film, is also the most negative thing: Judge Anderson is in it, when her character has enough nuances to support her own movie.

Maybe in the future.

AK

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-07-08 12:22:29 UTC
Bet it will be better than Eragon.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-07-08 16:23:48 UTC
I actually think it looks surprisingly good. And I've never read the comic and hated the original. So I had no expectations to speak of on this film.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#4 - 2012-07-08 17:46:55 UTC
Usually I read critic reviews in OOPE and immediately pass them off as people who just can't be pleased, but I think you are actually right on this one.

The city looks like a slightly upscale Detroit, which is not even close to the walled in mega cities that span to the skies with super towers due to being massively overcrowded due to the rest of the world being a wasteland.

And those bikes....ugh. Did they have a budget cut in Law central? They drove a ******* Harley with monster tires on it, like this. These bikes look like they were stolen directly from the set of priest.

And quite frankly this Dredd looks like he won't have half the brass balls that Sylvester Stallones Dredd had, which is why there is a comic made of him, because when Dredd shows up you may as well do yourself a favor and pass judgement from your own chamber to your head.

Thanks for telling em who it was written by. Everyone was telling how me awesome sunshine was so I went out and got it only to find it be amazingly BORING. This trailer didn't exactly raise any wow moments either.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#5 - 2012-07-08 18:41:40 UTC
Drive-by comment :)

One huge gaping plot hole : if the "bad guys" have access to some drug that lets you accelerate your own senses and thought patterns by two orders of magnitude (because that's the only way you can experience something at 1% of normal speed), how exactly is any non-drugged-up person supposed to compete in even remotely fair combat with that ? I mean, for the druggies, Judge Dredd might as well be a sitting duck.
Also, yeah, I've seen better fitting cosplay costumes than what the actors are wearing.
Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
#6 - 2012-07-09 05:55:37 UTC
to be fair, if you think it does look like detroit... well from what I understand. Detroit is about |.| close to needing Judges...

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#7 - 2012-07-09 11:13:48 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
...but I think you are actually right on this one...


It has been known to happen. Lol

AK

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-09 11:31:18 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Drive-by comment :)

One huge gaping plot hole : if the "bad guys" have access to some drug that lets you accelerate your own senses and thought patterns by two orders of magnitude (because that's the only way you can experience something at 1% of normal speed), how exactly is any non-drugged-up person supposed to compete in even remotely fair combat with that ? I mean, for the druggies, Judge Dredd might as well be a sitting duck.
Also, yeah, I've seen better fitting cosplay costumes than what the actors are wearing.


I'm assuming it means your reaction time is close to zero and you have plenty of time to analyze what you see. Accelerated thinking isn't going to magically make your body move any faster than normal though. That means while the target is moving in slow motion, so are you. A highly trained soldier has much higher reflexes then normal people and can act, as in perform the actions, much faster too. It should lead to situations where the drug user can react first and see in detail what needs to happen, but against a superior fighter will only end up experiencing his own death in excruciating and painful detail.

I would imagine at least one such scene will be used to kill of an important villain. You know, a scene where Dredd turns the advantage the drug gives against the user. That way the user can see his death clearly coming, but can't act fast enough to stop it and it will only make the judgement given more terrible.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#9 - 2012-07-09 12:19:16 UTC
Doesnt look half bad for a 70 million budget! Sticking points are the bikes, their supposed to be bigger and the judges themselves, especially Dredd, he is meant to be taller and broader. This is like that predator movie where they put in a guy who basicly looked anorexic next to Arny to play the main character.

Other than that ill watch it. Maybe not in cinema but will still watch it.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#10 - 2012-07-09 13:45:40 UTC
Meh. If "it doesn't look right" is the biggest complaint, it'll be a good movie. First off, I'm not a comic book fan (actually I can't stand most of them) so I don't have significant expectations in the graphics department. So long as the artwork feels consistent and plausible, I'm not going to worry about whether it sticks to established canon. Also, let's be honest...not everything that works in still, hand-drawn comic images translates to live-action film.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#11 - 2012-07-09 16:14:45 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. If "it doesn't look right" is the biggest complaint, it'll be a good movie. First off, I'm not a comic book fan (actually I can't stand most of them) so I don't have significant expectations in the graphics department. So long as the artwork feels consistent and plausible, I'm not going to worry about whether it sticks to established canon. Also, let's be honest...not everything that works in still, hand-drawn comic images translates to live-action film.


No.

Bad screenwriting does that, which is what I dread primarilly.

AK

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#12 - 2012-07-09 16:42:37 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. If "it doesn't look right" is the biggest complaint, it'll be a good movie.



Can you say that about Batman Forever and Batman and Robin?

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#13 - 2012-07-09 18:00:12 UTC
Personally I think that looks like a gigantic improvement over the Stallone version, which was so insanely cheesy that cinema goers should have been given crackers and wine to go with their tickets.

It may not appeal aesthetically to long time JD fans, but when you consider the need to appeal to a mass audience, most of whom probably haven't heard of the Judge, I say this film looks set to hit the mark quite nicely.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2012-07-09 18:16:52 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. If "it doesn't look right" is the biggest complaint, it'll be a good movie.



Can you say that about Batman Forever and Batman and Robin?


There was nothing right about those films.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-07-09 19:42:52 UTC
wait what? what made that movie good was how in the 1st 5 minutes he has his job taken away from him but still acts like he is the law. But he's not , he's in jail. And they build that **** up for like an hour and then he is like "I AM THE LAW" and you feel it because even though the movie is stupid, he has no weapons, no friends, no life. He has a good reason to be such a *****. I thought that was the point of the movie?

this movie looks like it could of just been a sci-fi movie about cops in the future. What is this junk? also why does no one else have the helmet on? Everyone suppose to have that standard issue helmet. And then when it's taken away you see him without it for most of the movie. It's a big deal when it goes back on, but without seeing his face for most of the movie, it would be stupid.

what if they kept on the helmet during the jail scenes. Wouldn't that just be too comic book cartoony?

I've never seen a more useless movie plot in my life. And that's impressive becuase usally i have to see a movie before I can say if it's bad or not. I really tried to like the trailer, but , wow. It's just a movie about him in a building the whole time. Oh, how exciting *rolls eyes*

it's going to flop hard



also how can I shallow that those drugies that can see time moving at 1%, can't hit him with 12 of them with guns? they hit like the whole floor but not him. WTF. They don't seem very super human to me :/

What would of been COOL, would of been if he walked in and got OWNED. and then had to figure out a way to still win, but with a counter bio weapon, or by taking the stuff himself. I don't know, just some kind of plot, anything really.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-07-09 19:44:46 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Personally I think that looks like a gigantic improvement over the Stallone version, which was so insanely cheesy that cinema goers should have been given crackers and wine to go with their tickets.

It may not appeal aesthetically to long time JD fans, but when you consider the need to appeal to a mass audience, most of whom probably haven't heard of the Judge, I say this film looks set to hit the mark quite nicely.


but this movie is about some guy with a helmet on 24/7, in the old movie he's not a cop. HE IS NOT A COP. he's a cop for like, 5 minutes. that's what makes it cool. The helmet is only on for like 20% of the orginal movie. wtf, now is just killing dudes, with a gun, all the time. It's like they took the 1st 5 minutes of the orginal, and made a whole movie about that.

Can't we just agree you didn't like the original, but this one is going to be even more painful?

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2012-07-09 19:54:28 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. If "it doesn't look right" is the biggest complaint, it'll be a good movie.


Can you say that about Batman Forever and Batman and Robin?


Those were terrible movies in every respect. Their "look and feel" deviation was the least annoying thing about them.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#18 - 2012-07-09 20:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
MotherMoon wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Personally I think that looks like a gigantic improvement over the Stallone version, which was so insanely cheesy that cinema goers should have been given crackers and wine to go with their tickets.

It may not appeal aesthetically to long time JD fans, but when you consider the need to appeal to a mass audience, most of whom probably haven't heard of the Judge, I say this film looks set to hit the mark quite nicely.


but this movie is about some guy with a helmet on 24/7, in the old movie he's not a cop. HE IS NOT A COP. he's a cop for like, 5 minutes. that's what makes it cool. The helmet is only on for like 20% of the orginal movie. wtf, now is just killing dudes, with a gun, all the time. It's like they took the 1st 5 minutes of the orginal, and made a whole movie about that.

Can't we just agree you didn't like the original, but this one is going to be even more painful?


As someone who has been a long time fan of The Judge, I feel it important to inform you that in the comics he never showed his face. It started in his very first appearance in 1977 and quickly became a rule which all subsequent artists were required to follow. The fact that the makers of the Stallone movie chose to ignore such an important part of Dredd canon was abhorrent to many devoted fans, and as such the new film is more likely to please a greater number of people.

I personally enjoyed the original film, despite its glaring flaws. I found Stallone to be a fairly good Judge, the script was not too horrible and the look and feel of the setting was done to a fair degree of accuracy. My previous point still stands however, it was extremely cheesy.

EDIT: Dredd Wiki page

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-07-09 20:53:07 UTC
That looks awesome Big smile

I'm very easy to please though

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#20 - 2012-07-10 02:20:42 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Akita T wrote:
[...]if the "bad guys" have access to some drug that lets you accelerate your own senses and thought patterns by two orders of magnitude (because that's the only way you can experience something at 1% of normal speed), how exactly is any non-drugged-up person supposed to compete in even remotely fair combat with that ? I mean, for the druggies, Judge Dredd might as well be a sitting duck.[...]


I'm assuming it means your reaction time is close to zero and you have plenty of time to analyze what you see. Accelerated thinking isn't going to magically make your body move any faster than normal though. That means while the target is moving in slow motion, so are you. A highly trained soldier has much higher reflexes then normal people and can act, as in perform the actions, much faster too. It should lead to situations where the drug user can react first and see in detail what needs to happen, but against a superior fighter will only end up experiencing his own death in excruciating and painful detail.

I would imagine at least one such scene will be used to kill of an important villain. You know, a scene where Dredd turns the advantage the drug gives against the user. That way the user can see his death clearly coming, but can't act fast enough to stop it and it will only make the judgement given more terrible.


"Reflexes" are simply shortcuts thought the brain's logic - they still happen at "normal speed", but the brain has developed a few optimized circumstance sets where the whole conscious process of decision-making is being mostly bypassed when they're detected, and it's accomplished by heavy-duty repetition beyond the point of having mastered an ability consciously. "Choking" happens when for some reason you try to properly think about what you're doing, suspending the brain's ability to take those shortcuts.
A person who can perceive and think at x100 speed, even lacking any formal training will always beat training-ingrained reflexes any time of the day. If this "slo-mo" thing would have been a mere x2 or even x10 speed, it would have been SOMEWHAT believable (as the best reflexes just MIGHT be 10 times faster than conscious thought), but at x100 speed, no friggin way.

I'll also grant you that sure, the trained person might also be in a better physical shape to do something, and yes, even at x100 if you're putting a completely inexperienced fighter in poor physical shape (i.e. a random lazy peaceful citizen) against a highly trained fighter in peak physical shape, the experienced fighter MIGHT be able to beat a few of them in 1-vs-1 combat conditions... but put it up against several people with even a shred of combat experience and halfway decent physical shape at the same time, and it no longer makes any sense for the non-boosted guy to have a shred of a chance.

Then again, it's cartoon movie logic, so, meh.
But my suspension of disbelief was seriously put to the test.