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Stealth BS sized Bombers - Solution for Titan problem

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#21 - 2012-07-09 04:47:12 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
If this happened, we'd get Black Ops remodels, so you can fit the citadel launchers on them. :) Just imagine the sexy.



Widow + Capital Torp-batteries = Oh, soooooo pretty Blink

Is the sound-file for capital missile launch different from the BS-scale one, though? I hope so, because the latter seems a bit "thin" and weak to me.

Missile that size lighting-off should be a tremendous, wrath-of-the-Gods booming bass ROAR, not the little
"Pss-sheeeeeeeewww..."

(Yes, EVE has sound...It's even been working fairly well the last couple of patches, if you can imagine that!)

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
#22 - 2012-07-09 04:59:17 UTC
What about heavy bombers? based off the industrial hulls. And a new bomb type.

The way I see things is that the current bombs are much like the USAF MOAB, they are designed to blow up crap over a wide area. But they lack penetration.

Heavy bombers would bring about three new things possibly.

Heavy Bombs that do one of the four damage type(pick your bomb for what you want to do of course).

However while deployment of heavy bombs is similar to that of normal bombs in that you fly and deploy they operate differently than current bombs in that they have to hit something to damage it. on impact with a collidable object(ship, POS, asteroid, anything collidable) they would detonate and do damage to that target. Heavy bombs would do say 70-80k base damage. They are truly unguided weapons meaning some creative flying would be needed but they would be great for hitting super-caps.

heavy bombs would of course be deployed from heavy bomb launchers(this would keep them off of stealths).

Heavy bombers could also fit the Rotory Bomb Launcher. this would be a faster firing version of the normal bomb launcher, much like heavy bombers of the airforce in reality it would allow deployment of lots of the smaller munitions.

EVE is like swimming on a beach in shark infested waters,  There is however a catch...  The EVE Beach you also have to wonder which fellow swimmer will try and eat you before the sharks.

Aylin Aslim
Memintolar Tombikto
#23 - 2012-07-09 07:03:44 UTC
i still think "BS" hull is the best hull for this purpose.

1-2 billion per ship, it will take 15-30 billions of isk for any alliance to create a potential threath against super capital blobs. THUS, they will need to field battleships or normal capital fleets.

15-30 billion isk is not much for an alliance.

Also,
the fittings should be limited as stealth bombers are limited, however the ships themselves should be pretty much agile & weak.

Normal Black ops features + stealth bomber features - Ewar and other type of dmg & tank abilities.

So here it goes,
a battleship that can jump and open Covert Cynoes, where it can also use buffed( Hıgh damage less rof not to make dreads obsolete in some roles ) citadel torpedoes and bombs.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#24 - 2012-07-10 11:28:22 UTC
Eeeeehhh...

BS' are much too unwieldy.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Kadeyoo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-07-10 11:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kadeyoo
We already have it - it's called a dreadnought. Supersquishy once in siege, and super DPS against big targets, and they cost the same as you proposed.
Oh well, not stealthy? Who cares, cyno up, and jump right into the battle - 100 times better than warping around cloaked.
Can be DDd or focused down easily? You said yourself, your ships are supposed to come without a tank as well. And a few pests can easily alpha down BCs already - which I'm guessing is the EHP you are looking at.
Can't escape undetected? Have your carriers cap you up, cyno up, and jump out - 100 times better than warping around cloaked.

If you are expecting resistance, your ships would die just as well as dreadnoughts (just look at how T3 BCs are rather high on the priority list of primary calling - simply because they serve that same role, small, squishy - high DPS). If you are not, you might as well bring dreadnoughts.

Titan fights are not exactly covert, don't see the whole point of doing this - other than you looking for a better POS bashing alternative to dreadnoughts.

Things seem fine the way they are at the moment, though Citadel Torpedoes need to be looked at badly.

T-Down.
Aylin Aslim
Memintolar Tombikto
#26 - 2012-07-10 12:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aylin Aslim
Dreadnoughts don't have "citadel bombs".
It's the bombs that kill battleships not the "loldmg" torpedoes which does <500dps to battleships.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-07-10 15:34:18 UTC
Quote:
Dreadnoughts don't have "citadel bombs".

Correct, they don't have citadel bombs because they don't need them.
Kadeyoo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-07-10 18:34:09 UTC
Aylin Aslim wrote:
Dreadnoughts don't have "citadel bombs".
It's the bombs that kill battleships not the "loldmg" torpedoes which does <500dps to battleships.


What would that purpose of such bombs be? To deal 2mil damage to supercapitals? I'm smelling you are jealous of not having either the SP to fly and/or the money to buy/fit a Titan with a DD.
Aylin Aslim
Memintolar Tombikto
#29 - 2012-07-10 20:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Aylin Aslim
ah no no no, this idea infact, has nothing to do with me. Personally, i don't like flying anything bigger than a bc ( even BC's are too slow ) and i don't like flying in any gang which has more than 20-30 members.

In eve, there is always a counter for what you may field.
For example,
if you have logistics, they can counter it with jammers.
if you have jammers, they can counter it with eccm ( doh ) or LR ships.
if you have LR ships, they can counter it with faster stuff.

if you have RR'ing Battleships, they might have capital stuff ( bigger ships ) to drop OR they might have more battleships to shoot at you ( lame ) OR they might just have 15ish bombers which can vaporize your whole fleet of bs's.

Lets adopt this to supercaps,
if you have supercaps, they cannot have bigger stuff - since its the biggest -, they might field more supercaps ( which is the real issue, WhoHasMoreSuperCapsOnline ). Thats it.
There is only 1 counter, which is not a counter at all for supercap blobbing.

İf the price is issue,
set the Stealth bombing BS's price ( indirectly by materials ) around 10bil - who cares -.

Just give people a reason to be afraid of something when they are using titans.
its like, "hey we have 5 hacs in our system lets drop 2 titans and 1 ms on them"

or
lets drop 20+ titans on field since there is no one to counter it lol.
Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
Remember Mumuit
#30 - 2012-07-11 06:13:22 UTC
i like this idea, i think, tech 2 tier 3 bs would be nice for that.

i'm REALY miss the old stuff. 

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