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Faction warfare "Friendly Fire problem"
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Carber
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#1 - 2012-07-08 14:51:22 UTC
so now it happened again i sit on a site for 12 min takeing it over. then one other guy comes heas there in 2 minutes then he shot me. im forced to warp out in my pod. and he loses abit standings but he gets ALOT becourse he took a big site alone.

this is getting a big problem in FW friendly fire. its supose to work like Red versus blue. just way more advance.. so a way to fix it might be that you get kicked out from FW and Banned from it. for 1 year? if you do it. ( Depense if you attack first )

id like to her other perspective of this.


ps keep thread in topic. Thank you.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#2 - 2012-07-08 14:53:58 UTC
Sandbox much ? Kill him if you can. Oh wai .. you can't ,you were in your farming fit ...
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#3 - 2012-07-08 14:57:10 UTC
Just kill them, though this requires fitting guns to your speed tanker.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#4 - 2012-07-08 15:09:51 UTC
You were killed by Adolf, who relies on the fact that militia overview settings don't show him.
Unlucky, but not much you can do as he changes his corp every week or so to cycle between militias.

Just set him red.

Also, bless you, FW is nothing like RvB. In RL FW would kick sand in RVB's face. And RvB would say thank you.
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-08 15:32:37 UTC
its not even the farm fit thats the problem. if you kill friendly militia you lose 1.0 protectorate standing. do that 1 - 2 times and your out of militia. we have a few pirates that use militia to get close to people killed a few of them and almost got our corp booted from FW.
Carber
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#6 - 2012-07-08 15:38:52 UTC
yea but i want bigger punishment for it. he killet alot. and heas stil in fw. he can just join another fw corp or make one with heas alts. and cycle this. i want to do FW as its supose to be. or i go become a pirate fw guy so i shot any there enter my site friendly or foe. cos then i know he wont get the upper hand. which i find lame..
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#7 - 2012-07-08 15:46:03 UTC
Carber wrote:
yea but i want bigger punishment for it. he killet alot. and heas stil in fw. he can just join another fw corp or make one with heas alts. and cycle this. i want to do FW as its supose to be. or i go become a pirate fw guy so i shot any there enter my site friendly or foe. cos then i know he wont get the upper hand. which i find lame..


He has 4 corps, and he just cycles through them. Think the FW standings are only calculated every 7 days, so as long as he changes regularly they don't get kicked from militia. There really is nothing you can do. Set him red and adjust your overview settings accordingly.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-07-08 15:47:12 UTC
Carber wrote:
yea but i want bigger punishment for it. he killet alot. and heas stil in fw. he can just join another fw corp or make one with heas alts. and cycle this. i want to do FW as its supose to be. or i go become a pirate fw guy so i shot any there enter my site friendly or foe. cos then i know he wont get the upper hand. which i find lame..


Shooting friendlies exists in every other part of EVE. The fact that you can't be 100% sure that any particular person is not going to shoot you is one of EVE's core mechanics. That's not going to change.

Joining a FW corp doesn't work because FW corps need to have certain standings, and having one member shooting friendlies all the time will tank said standings.
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-08 15:50:07 UTC
yeah we got a guy in Caldari that is in a 3 man corp 2 alts at 10.0 standings and him at -10.00 and he doesn't even need to cycle.....
Carber
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#10 - 2012-07-08 16:18:28 UTC
yea that is what i want to fix.. i want ccp to see this glitch..
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#11 - 2012-07-08 16:28:35 UTC
Carber wrote:
he loses abit standings but he gets ALOT becourse he took a big site alone.


So why could you not kill him again?
Val Amora
Orcses and Goblinz
#12 - 2012-07-08 17:01:35 UTC
obviously an exploit, but you deserve to die if you're in a stupid pve fit
Carber
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#13 - 2012-07-08 17:02:01 UTC
i wasent set up to kill him i did not think he would attack me becourse we was allies. when he pointed me i was dead.
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#14 - 2012-07-08 17:16:35 UTC
Carber wrote:
i wasent set up to kill him i did not think he would attack me becourse we was allies. when he pointed me i was dead.


So what you're saying is, if you had flown fit for pvp all would have been well?
Carber
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#15 - 2012-07-08 17:46:10 UTC
please stick to topic. instead of trying to provoke me. its a topic about a game mechanic.
Carber
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#16 - 2012-07-08 17:58:49 UTC
Val Amora wrote:
obviously an exploit, but you deserve to die if you're in a stupid pve fit


wasent a pve fit. was a pvp fit close range. reason i lost was becourse i thought he was an ally. the fight it self dosnt really matter.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#17 - 2012-07-08 20:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lock out
Son, hate to break it to you, CCP doesn't need to fix ****. Awoxing is an integral part of eve and only cos you want an environment where you can happly farm all day with no headake, doesn't mean Eve should change.
Hurtado Soneka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-07-08 20:32:34 UTC
Awoxing?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-07-08 20:58:06 UTC
Everywhere in EVE allies can freely shoot you with no punishment whatsoever. In highsec your corp members can even shoot you easier than your enemies, as they don't have to deal with CONCORD response. Why do you want FW to be any different?
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#20 - 2012-07-08 22:41:20 UTC
Carber wrote:
i wasent set up to kill him i did not think he would attack me becourse we was allies. when he pointed me i was dead.


I'm not trying to provoke you. You joined factional warfare which is an optional feature to promote pvp. In this you sought out pvp in a plex(Mind you, there are lots of things you can do that are not necessarily primarily to find pvp, such as regular missions, mining etc, plexes are even more than factional warfare designed to promote pvp).

So, you are in this pvp arena, and get pointed by a hostile frigate, whom you supposed were friendly(I still have no idea why you would think he was friendly, had you even spoken to him before?).

This is not about provoking, it's about you having presumtions keeping you from engaging in moneyfarming in pvp arenas. If you had been going there with the intent of pvp, and still considered yourself "dead when pointed" it's not a matter of mechanics or anything else, it's about you being able to handle an opponent and being unprepared for the situation that arose.

The mechanics are flawed beyond belief, but not the way you mention it.
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