EVE General Discussion

Well here's my 0.01 isk take on this thread:


Dear CCP,

Please make EVE a nanny state for me, to help protect me from my own ignorance and stupidity.


Thanks.


OP, perhaps you should go visit a third world country where the environment you need to survive can be even more harsh than EVE, as you don't get a second chance such as making threads like this if you don't play by the rules of that countries culture.

Ok, so you don't understand economics either.

People will only buy them if there is a demand for it, and increasing supply does not increase demand. What you're asking for is the complete removal of demand, which does indeed collapse the economy.
More than eight apparently, since the OP fantasises about having been in the beta…
The real mystery is how long ago he bought that character and how he hasn't been able to figure out how the game economy works since then.

You consent to PvP the moment you create an account.

It's part of the charm of Eve.

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Actually, you said no demand — the fact that you don't understand how you did this illustrates perfectly that you do not understand economics or the game.
If prices get too high, further removing demand is not the solution…

Oh and…Well, sorry. I'll try to translate my English to something you understand: no ship go boom = no people want buy new ship = no man make ship = money becomes toilet paper.
So your information is out of date then. Maybe it's time you update yourself and/or look at everything else that is known about the game. Ignorance is not an excuse.

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its called the e-peen syndrome... and its rather sad to see CCP cater to these things.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Just think of it for a wile, what would happen if total invulnerability would be available on a competitive PvP server?

Let's put it in from a PvE aspect and compare it to "other games".

There is no gear chase in this game like you get with other games.

Each expansion in those games adds items that make other things worthless - completely and utterly worthless. You don't find "level 80's" picking up level 5 weapons and using them.

In EVE you do.

You have years old chars in this game climbing into rifters, merlins, tristans, etc... Ships you get for free during your tutorials - and they aren't using those ships "just for lulz" - ACTUAL use to accomplish tasks that a char of their age needs to do.

A "since beta" player, who took 3 years off in the middle, comes back and can use the ships they have stored and be of equivalent effect as they were "back in the day".

In other words - this is exceptionally good design for those who "take a break" and those who "have real lives" vs the caffeine IV drip basement dweller with a catheter. They retain the ability to compete in this game world.

In EVE - when things are blown up, they need to be replaced.

Without that blowing things up and replacing them, you have very little activity in the market and the market is how PvE players measure their success in this game. "I make 'x' isk per hour! I have millions/billions/trillions!!!" PvP tend to use different measuring sticks but PvE - that's their "lookie me!!! I ROCK!" metric.

There are those that will avoid losing ANYTHING and those types cannot be allowed to 'take over the game'. Simply put, it would destroy the economy in short order and even they would pack it out being as almost no market movement would occur.

As such, there is a need to force such players into lose situations. Without it, they'd crash the market and the game would grind to a virtual halt.

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No, it's not nice. Many of those that participate in such "PvP" activities can make one feel they need to take a shower after just chatting with them. As I tend to think of them "what I wipe off my shoe when I step wrong after the dog has been outside..." Disgusting, something you may mutter about but it'll rarely do more than annoy unless you're a bit of a twit yourself.

If you want a dynamic economy to buy and sell into - then either you have gear chasing or you have other ways for stuff to be gotten rid of/made obsolete - this game uses PvP mechanics to accomplish it.

Think of it as a "necessary evil".

Log in. Open the market interface. There is is. Everything is.

If you mine the asteroid, you get the ore instead of me. Competitive.
If you sell your stuff, you get the money from the sale instead of me. Competitive.
If you find the complex and open the can, you get the loot instead of me. Competitive.
Repeat for everything you could conceivable do in EVE.
…which means you're not thinking in terms of PvP and how it will be used. If I'm immune, then I can take all your stuff and there is nothing you can do to stop me. If I'm immune, I can spy your entire alliance and give a live-feed of your fleet movement, and you can't get rid of me. If I'm immune, I can deliver every last item in Jita to your enemies, and not only will they be well supplied with everything imaginable, but you will have nothing, and you cannot keep your enemies from having it all.

Immunity, even in the most limited capacity, inherently does not work in a competitive PvP environment.

Go back to page three and look at the list I made there over things that simply must not be allowed to anyone that is “PvP immune” and consider how much of what you're doing every second you're logged in (hell, even when you're not logged in) is done in direct competition with other players — PvP.
Good job. Keep at it.