Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are an idiot. Nul-sec has been nerfed to the point that there isn't even much point in taking space at all. The CFC is quite a bit different from other organizations in that it has a need for space in order to give their members a place to live and play the game. There is not much of any reason for anyone else to hold space. You don't need sov to get moon goo and are better off if you don't have it. Ratting income has been horribly nerfed as there are only a few systems in each region now that are worth ratting in at all, and to get that you have to spend billions in system upgrades first (never mind having to rat like mad to get the military indexes up). Moon income for anything other than tech is negligible and not worth the cost of running the POS. PI is similarly not worth the amount of effort that you have to put in. You can't run missions as NPC 0.0 is a totally different game than Sov 0.0. Exploration isn't bad, but the rewards are nearly the same as in high-sec for the same thing.

So, lets compaire that to Empire. In Empire I can AFK run level 4 missions and make more than I can ratting in the vast majority of systems in 0.0 (and I don't have to complete with several hundred others over 4 sites). High-sec incursions also provide a safe and extremely lucrative way to make income. If you do exploration your income will be almost the same as in 0.0, but of course you run little to no risk of getting killed. You don't have to worry about logistics and getting equiptment and ships past the nul-sec entrance points, so moving stuff around to trade hubs is very safe. And then there is the massive buffs to high-sec that have happened over the past little while. High-sec incursions are the biggest, the next would be taking away the quality levels of agents. And while you do this you don't have to worry about home defence fleets, sov costs, system upgrades (which have to be moved in a freighter BTW) and having your stuff locked in a station when someone comes and flips the system.

Tell me again how nul-sec has an "advantage" over Empire? Empire is SUPPOSED to be for new players. The fact that the income potential is nearly the same as 0.0 with almost no danger is contrary to what EVE is supposed to be. What makes 0.0 profitable is co-operation and organization. If people make more in 0.0 it is because of that, not because they have an advantage. There needs to be a reason to BE in 0.0 beyond the social aspects. That means 0.0 needs a serious buff, to make it MUCH more attractive. Until then, the situation will remain fairly static. No one is going to attack a stronghold when there is little advantage in taking it in the first place.

Population vs Kills, Jan 2012. There's probably a spike in Null due to the current events in Delve, but it seems high-sec is incredably safe compared to null and low.
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I mostly do hauling, but a few nights ago I decided to 'hang out' with a friend who mines. For three hours, all she did was shoot at rocks and then bring them to the station. There were a ton of people out mining but not a peep in local about pirates or gankers. Yet she easily made more money than I do when I haul stuff through high and low sec.

Perhaps null-sec miners do their job in relative safety, but high sec miners appear to do the same.

Then why do they have the least amount of losses per player then every other region except for highsec?

i'm primarily a hisec miner and from my current isk/m3 comparisons on yield charts the risk that comes with null sec isn't worth it. arkonor is only about 30% more isk/m3 than hisec ores and b and c ores are only marginally higher. h ores are only slightly higher than veld and scordite. so from a hisec miner perspective the nullsec ores just arent worth the added risk when i so easily become space rich in hisec. i'm not going to pretend to know how safe sov space is but i know it can't be safer than hisec. nullsec needs the reward to outweigh the hisec lack of risk. i thought about mining nullsec until i looked at m3 prices

TLDR: nullsec isk isn't worth the nullsec risk.