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4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-07 16:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: 4-AcO-DMT
i havent done any incursions yet, i dont know how it looks like but i heard it brings lots of money so ill want to do it eventually.

i also heard only some certain ships are capable of doing them. for example from caldari ships only basilisk, tengu is viable. minmatar ships are best to do them. why is that ? in WoW we would call it a design fail. some ships are in favor and some are 'broken'.
bring the player not the class. although i know its the matter of skill in WoW which is hard to show in EVE, i still should be able to fly any ship i want.
so what about other ships ? i cant do incursions if i want to fly apocalypse or raven ??
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#2 - 2012-07-07 16:27:41 UTC
Different ships for different goals, use the right tool for the job etc. Some ships are better than others at incursions, and due to their competitive nature people tend to be more choosy about what they bring in than they do with other areas of PVE.

You can find a fleet in an apoc or raven, it just won't be easy, and your fleet will probably be shite if they're accepting ships like that.
4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-07-07 16:33:52 UTC
Cambarus wrote:


You can find a fleet in an apoc or raven, it just won't be easy, and your fleet will probably be shite if they're accepting ships like that.


so basically its not possible to do incursions with those ships

but why arent caldari ships good enough ? most ppl say theyre the best for missions, so why not for incursions ?
Marcus Ichiro
IchiCorp
#4 - 2012-07-07 16:54:39 UTC
You can do Incursions in just about anything, but you won't be accepted into a public fleet unless you're flying something purpose built for doing Incursions.

You should join EVE Uni, I heard they run lessons to answer these sorts of ques- oh wait.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2012-07-07 16:59:02 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
but why arent caldari ships good enough ? most ppl say theyre the best for missions, so why not for incursions ?


Because Incursions are very different content than missions. Rather than tanking for a significant amount of time while whittling down damage (as fast as possible), Incursions force you to tank hard (harder than local tanks can manage) for brief periods of time while applying rapid damage to a variety of targets. Missiles in general don't apply enough damage quickly enough to make a difference next to a bunch of high damage gun boats.

That said, Caldari pilots shouldn't be wanting for money. There is a ton of PvE content where Caldari excels. But it just so happens that their best Incursion boat is a Basilisk -- and it certainly won't struggle to find fleets.
4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-07 17:16:45 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
but why arent caldari ships good enough ? most ppl say theyre the best for missions, so why not for incursions ?


Because Incursions are very different content than missions. Rather than tanking for a significant amount of time while whittling down damage (as fast as possible), Incursions force you to tank hard (harder than local tanks can manage) for brief periods of time while applying rapid damage to a variety of targets. Missiles in general don't apply enough damage quickly enough to make a difference next to a bunch of high damage gun boats.

That said, Caldari pilots shouldn't be wanting for money. There is a ton of PvE content where Caldari excels. But it just so happens that their best Incursion boat is a Basilisk -- and it certainly won't struggle to find fleets.


shouldnt laser ships have the highest dps ?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2012-07-07 17:25:28 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
but why arent caldari ships good enough ? most ppl say theyre the best for missions, so why not for incursions ?


Because Incursions are very different content than missions. Rather than tanking for a significant amount of time while whittling down damage (as fast as possible), Incursions force you to tank hard (harder than local tanks can manage) for brief periods of time while applying rapid damage to a variety of targets. Missiles in general don't apply enough damage quickly enough to make a difference next to a bunch of high damage gun boats.

That said, Caldari pilots shouldn't be wanting for money. There is a ton of PvE content where Caldari excels. But it just so happens that their best Incursion boat is a Basilisk -- and it certainly won't struggle to find fleets.


shouldnt laser ships have the highest dps ?


Umm. It's not that simple. Laser ships do have decent damage and are welcome in Incursion fleets. Nightmares, for instance, are considered quite good. But a vanilla Apocalypse isn't known for its massive damage output.
miss doubtfire
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-07-07 17:49:40 UTC
It totally depends on your pilot skills too. If you have t2 guns and a t2 or faction battleship, all you have to do then if fit your tank for shield or armor and get your effective health points (EHP in fitting) to above 100k. Armor ships going into shield fleets (the valhalla project for example) will need extra work to get their base shield hp to around 14k (before fleet boosts) and also getting all four res type to minimum 70%.

I have seen drakes in the incursions, but if you're caldari you'd quickly want to get into a navy scorp or nightmare, starting off with assaults in your bs if you haven't got the isk to save up for those faction ships.

For your first few incursions, you should definetly do vanguards (VG's) or assaults (ASS), but i have seen the odd newcomer jump straight into hq i think (TPPH) once you past the broadcast test.

So what is the best ship.... Well i did say navy scorp or nightmare for caldari, but if you are able in no time to fly the Machariel its worth it, since its the best dps and sniper for incursions.

I started off incursions in a navy apoc doing vg's and assaults, and when i saved up isk, spent a billion on two pithum invulnerability fields to free up my mids and bring the navy apoc up to over 800 turret dps (with t2 pulses), and over 700 turret dps sniping with t2 tachy's. So even a navy apoc could do it, being cap stable, over 900 total dps with 140k EHP shield fitted.

There's plenty of isk to be made when the right fleets are running, I made 630M in 13 hours of gameplay one day. That figure can be dwarfed by pvp or null sec operations, but for high sec breaking away from lvl 4's solo, its a great jump and worth a go, even for a few months.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-07 18:29:39 UTC
How do Maelstroms fair in Incursions?
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#10 - 2012-07-07 18:43:21 UTC
I always found groups in the longer range engagements with my CNR. Most often it was ravens and some sniper boats (Rokh's I ran into periodically). But I had to fit out for nothing but dps and shield buffer to be accepted in them.

Machariel is probably the most popular that ive seen.
I saw Rattlesnakes as tank most of the time.
Scorps, Nighmares, and I'm sure im missing another couple of shield ships.

Only ran in 2 armor fleets, but Apoc's were hugely popular in those.

Biggest thing to keep your eye on is what fleets are running, and WHO is running them. The right FC can make it fun as hell, profitable and smooth. The wrong one, and its a headache that is not worth the money you may (or may not) make.

Good luck ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#11 - 2012-07-07 20:36:39 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
Cambarus wrote:


You can find a fleet in an apoc or raven, it just won't be easy, and your fleet will probably be shite if they're accepting ships like that.


so basically its not possible to do incursions with those ships

but why arent caldari ships good enough ? most ppl say theyre the best for missions, so why not for incursions ?

Tengus and CNRs are OK for incursions, though not ideal as instantly applying damage makes a much bigger difference in incursions than it does in other areas of pve so missiles are not preferred.

As far as something like the apoc goes, it's just not a very good pve ship in general. If I were to compare it to more conventional games it'd be less that you picked the wrong class, and more that you're under leveled or under geared for the instance you're looking to run.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-08 11:38:18 UTC
You can try to do Incursions in any ship, but only Fleet Commanders decide to invite you to their fleet.
Since Incursions are based on team work (you can not do them alone) those FC's make their choice on what's available and of course they go for the best ships.
I can mostly find a fleet for my Tengu but i'm training for a Machariel, so Vindicator wouldn't be far.
btw, a Basilisk is a logistic ship, as scimitar for shield fleets.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#13 - 2012-07-08 13:51:12 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
i havent done any incursions yet, i dont know how it looks like but i heard it brings lots of money so ill want to do it eventually.

i also heard only some certain ships are capable of doing them. for example from caldari ships only basilisk, tengu is viable. minmatar ships are best to do them. why is that ? in WoW we would call it a design fail. some ships are in favor and some are 'broken'.
bring the player not the class. although i know its the matter of skill in WoW which is hard to show in EVE, i still should be able to fly any ship i want.
so what about other ships ? i cant do incursions if i want to fly apocalypse or raven ??


You're welcome to throw that pretty ideal around but its likely going to get you told to go **** yourself, or to go back to playing WoW. Eve is full of this "design fails" and the players that operate in them largely don't care what you think of the mechanics, they care about efficiency not inclusivity. That being said if you have a hard time grasping this you are going to hate a lot of areas of eve that the university dosent coddle you in.

All things being equal though you may find a fleet to run with in the apocalypse, not so sure about the raven.
Lucious Shakiel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-07-08 14:21:31 UTC
WoW had the equivalent of fail-fits. Try to get into a serious raiding guild by insisting on the wrong spec and using PvP gear.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#15 - 2012-07-08 14:59:00 UTC
Lucious Shakiel wrote:
WoW had the equivalent of fail-fits. Try to get into a serious raiding guild by insisting on the wrong spec and using PvP gear.


I don't hate myself nearly that much.
Velarra
#16 - 2012-07-08 15:31:53 UTC
Scorpion Navy Issue in fleet Anchor / Sniper / DPS role. Fit for obscene shield buffer & resists.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-07-08 15:44:38 UTC
You can do the easy sites solo. I have run a few Scout sites in navy slicer one time, thrasher another time.

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