Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Haha you misread.
0.0 rats pose a greater threat on 0.0 hulks then any highsec ganker poses to any highsec miner.
That's not an empty claim, that is empirically verifiable fact.
It simply goes without saying that any 0.0 player aggresses a 0.0 miner, the miner is dead.

The funniest thing about this post is that those are changes that Goons and the nul sec alliance have been trying to push for quite some time for the most part.

That being said, there is a MAJOR difference between safety in high-sec and safety in 0.0. In 0.0 it is safe because the players MAKE it safe where in high-sec it is safe due to no effort or organization on the part of people who live there. It is entirely mechanics based.

What you appear to want is no safety unless it is created by game mechanics. You want mechanics to trump organization and effort. If you want to be safe, get people together and MAKE it safe. All those nul sec organizations started as small corps in empire and the ones you ***** about the most have had to work far harder than most corps. The time that Dreddit, the founding corp of TEST, has spent where they WEREN'T in a war dec can be measured in days. That is from the very first day of their founding. We aren't talking one war here. We are talking multiple wars at all times, well before they ever made the jump into nul sec.

Alliances and corps in 0.0 have to work for everything they got and they have to work constantly to keep it. In contrast, the people of Empire have to do absolutely nothing to benefit from the safety offered in high-sec. It isn't just risk/reward, it is also effort/reward. If safety is your reward, then you had better get off your ass and do something, you shouldn't get something for nothing.

So ya, nerf high-sec. There should be no place in this game where you get something for nothing.

How many times, do I have to reply to these...

Local requires no collective effort whatsoever. Really, this keeps repeating... What part of "Someone in local, Warp to SS/POS/Station" is hard, what part of it requires collective effort? "Collective intel or gangs" have really minor effect on alliance players, as local still is the best line of defense vs being ganked when carebearing in 0.0.

And game mechanic changes have favored 0.0 alliances. You can't possibly argue against changes putting them at disfavor, given that they have had plenty of boosts.

Yet I still kill people trying to ship goods and mine in 0.0

Or if you are like me you dock up and grab a combat ship to deal with the enemy. Afterall if you dock up every time something pops up then you will not be keeping that space for long.

i think it's half that, half veiled incompetent roaming ganker whine

Think you mine in a hulk and enjoy your safe systems and love your local. A true 0.0 carebear. Go on, post more about cold and harsh pvp 0.0 space.

ps. I want to pay 10M-50M to concord to blow up any hulk randomly in 0.0 space, just like goons do in highsec.

Arguments about paying a subscription fee aside, players in hi-sec are only playing a small part of the game. They get a small part of the reward. Mining or doing missions isn't nothing. Incursions aren't "nothing" either, but they've been hit a tad too hard by the nerf bat.

I certainly don't believe hi-sec should be nerfed, but I don't think Concord or barges need buffing. Buff teamwork... (see my sig)

So how would you propose this "intel channels" gathers information from? People in stations? no local. People actively camping gates with cloakies to provide intel? without local, this would require a massively unrealistic amount of people, fully active, 23/7, on each gates (or on every gates within dscan range), just to achieve the same, even lesser amount of intel.


What you're talking about is not "adding some element of risk & losses", for an open space like nullsec (in comparison to wormholes), removing local is the same as burning down the one thing that made nullsec actually viable to live in. The word is "living" in, nullsec. Not roaming around or travelling around in null, but actually live in nullsec. Some alliances took over spaces based on this sole reason, even with alliance level incentives such as goos, they'd still need safe space to keep morale high and so that people can make a home in that space. A lot of people go to null to pvp, but to think of it as a home, you'll have to provide a form of incentive. Local, provides a safety net that made that incentive worth the risk.

Even with proper intel channels provided by local, people still kill other people in null, even the so called zero risk ratting ships. We even hunt people using local as a quick form of information gathering. So it goes both ways..

I think you need to observe what happens when a Big Red Boat is deployed.