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Exploration. What Ship do you use?

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Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#1 - 2012-07-06 06:31:15 UTC
So I just watched a video on a guy who used a Pilgrim for various exploration doodads and anomalies. I was even so pumped to go out and purchase and fit up my own Pilgrim. My own 250 dps dealing, 300 dps tanking Pilgrim. Sigh. This got me thinking.

What ship do you use for exploration?
Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites? (obviously i mean the hacking/analyzing, not the mining... although.... Mining Barge with a probe launcher GO GO!)
Is there such a ship that would handle anomalies as well as the exploration sites?

In all of the above situations I'm specifically talking about Low-Sec space although open discussion on all security is welcome.

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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#2 - 2012-07-06 06:47:53 UTC
Pilgrim is good for professions sites but it is quite terrible for combat sites in low/null. Can be used to do hisec combat sites.

Ishtar is considered to be one of the best hi/low/null exploration boats. It can also deal with low/null anomalies.

Tengu is considered to be the king of most types of pve. It is perfect for low/null exploration, wormholes and anomalies.

Drone Proteus is very good for lowsec. Can be used in null but Tengu is considerably better here.
It is the best low/null profession sites explorer however. Works in any space.

All T3s can be fitted with scannning subsystem, which will make scanning much faster but you can fit probe launcher on any ship. With good skills, some implants, grav cap rigs and SOE probes/launcher you can pin down most of the sites in unbonused ships.

If a ship can deal with exploration sites in systems with specific sec level it will also deal with anomalies there.

Ship's choice depends on pirate faction you will be dealing with ( for combat sites at least ).
Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#3 - 2012-07-06 07:05:06 UTC
Any suggested fits for the Ishtar and Tengu. How does the Sac weigh in?

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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#4 - 2012-07-06 07:41:50 UTC
About Ishtar ( and nullsec exploration in general ) : Nullsec ninja exploration

My lowsec Tengu fit for Serpentis/Guristas spaces:

[Tengu, Naughty Peeper]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field
Corelum A-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


I don't have experience with Sacrilege.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-06 08:10:21 UTC
this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher....

I should buy an Ishtar.

Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#6 - 2012-07-06 08:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Th3 Ladyship
Daniel Plain wrote:
this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher....


haha!

Does this work as an Ishtar fit anymore? (i think i used to use something similar to this back in the days of old when plexing against serpentis)


[Ishtar, Explo]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II (this could be another SPR II making a nicer tank but i dont like having no cap... ever)
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Analyzer I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I
75mm Gatling Rail II, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Antimatter Charge S

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Ogre II x5
Warden I x5
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#7 - 2012-07-06 09:16:40 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher....


You are right of course.
I didn't think that it would be required but here it goes :

Disclaimer for simple minded people, who are incapable of doing even the most basic research on their own :

Use scanning alt
or
Use so called 'travel fit' with probe launcher/ELA subsystem and switch to combat fit to do the combat sites

There. It should clear things out.Lol
chris elliot
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#8 - 2012-07-06 09:23:51 UTC
That or a dual-mar ishtar would work.

It has already been mentioned once but its worth mentioning again that the tengu is the best way to go for this sort of thing.

I have taken my pvp fit cloaky scanny tengu and soloed up to 5/10's in various parts of space. Granted I have to do a fair bit of kiting in mine but its possible to make a brick out of one without much issue.
Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#9 - 2012-07-06 09:27:56 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
That or a dual-mar ishtar would work.

It has already been mentioned once but its worth mentioning again that the tengu is the best way to go for this sort of thing.

I have taken my pvp fit cloaky scanny tengu and soloed up to 5/10's in various parts of space. Granted I have to do a fair bit of kiting in mine but its possible to make a brick out of one without much issue.


This might be worth looking into now. I always said i wouldnt buy a t3 but i might not have a choice now :D Im guessing the subsystem revolving probing isnt overly needed with proper skills/sisters launcher + probes?

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-06 10:20:26 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher....


You are right of course.
I didn't think that it would be required but here it goes :

Disclaimer for simple minded people, who are incapable of doing even the most basic research on their own :

Use scanning alt
or
Use so called 'travel fit' with probe launcher/ELA subsystem and switch to combat fit to do the combat sites

There. It should clear things out.Lol


Th3 Ladyship wrote:
Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites?

I should buy an Ishtar.

Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#11 - 2012-07-06 10:22:42 UTC
Come on guys. Less metagaming more discussion :(

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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#12 - 2012-07-06 10:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tomcio FromFarAway
Daniel Plain wrote:
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher....


You are right of course.
I didn't think that it would be required but here it goes :

Disclaimer for simple minded people, who are incapable of doing even the most basic research on their own :

Use scanning alt
or
Use so called 'travel fit' with probe launcher/ELA subsystem and switch to combat fit to do the combat sites

There. It should clear things out.Lol


Th3 Ladyship wrote:
Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites?



"Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites?"
does not equate :
"Please - ONLY ships that can scan AND complete the sites at the same time"

Th3 Ladyship wrote:
Come on guys. Less metagaming more discussion :(

You are right.
Sorry about thatSad

You can use that Tengu with a scanning alt or travel fit like I said. You will spend much less time doing combat sites that way. Using all-in-one Tengu will always hamper your general efficiency one way or the other. Taking more time to do the sites is pointless/dangerous ( in lowsec/nullsec ).
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-06 10:44:26 UTC
You can scan and complete in a single ship... you need good scanning skills , sister probes and you wont be able to find the harder sites (maze), but the rest is easy enough

No Worries

Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-07-06 11:17:55 UTC
I just use alts

This way you don't need to make any compromises, and you have the added bonus of being able to run a site while scanning down your next

Or alternatively you don't need to do the dscan, because you can sit a cloaky covops at the entrance and just watch for people coming to get ya

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-06 11:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Xhaiden Ora
A T3 really is the best bet for an all in one. Problem is the price tag may not be particularly cost effective.

Pilgrim is definately a solid choice. It can speed tank larger ships and drones should rip through the ones small enough to threaten you. Just need to be on your toes. For larger ships you can use the neut bonuses to help break tanks ( energy neuts should reduce the rep ticks of npc rats ) and bring them down to a dps-able level for you.

If I can pull an L4 in a Curse using neuts, the Pilgrim should be able to pull similar feats though it will have to snuggle up to BS rats a bit closer to do it. Fit some high damage close range turrets ( Autos for no cap drain mayhaps ) and it can get the job done on fat rats.

Won't win any awards for speed. But it does cost 1/4th what a T3 does. -.-
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#16 - 2012-07-06 12:33:46 UTC
Would it be worth trying to armor tank an Ishtar if you are going primarily against Blood Raiders? (Since they do all EM/Therm) rather than a passive shield tank? Or should I just stick to shield tanking and fit EM/Therm hardeners?

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#17 - 2012-07-06 18:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zor'katar
As has been mentioned, T3 cruisers would do the job nicely, but the pricetag, of course, is quite high. With that in mind, I toyed around on Sisi with a Muninn fitted to be a lowsec explorer in Blood/Sansha space. I was pretty happy with its performance and will probably give it a run on live when I get a chance.

With Sisters' launcher and probes, and all skills at 4, I was able to scan down (with some difficulty) one of what I think was the weakest signal Mag sites out there. I didn't have any implants... I *may* have had a scanning rig. Can't remember. But yeah, it's doable without a scan-bonused ship, if you don't mind it taking a bit longer on average to scan sites down.

As far as performance, it did Radar sites easily and I also ran a couple of 4/10 combat sites without much difficulty. You can't fit it for both Radar and Mag at the same time and keep the stats, but you can carry an Analyzer and Salvager and dock up and fit them when you want.
Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#18 - 2012-07-07 09:39:21 UTC
So, if we were to play devil's advocate. What kind of setup are we talking? I cant seem to have one work well enough. Even if i take the covert offensive subsystem off its still kinda iffy.

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Forum Foreplay
#19 - 2012-07-07 17:01:33 UTC
I use a Loki, basically you can get down to about .4 space and after that you need a bigger ship.

Even a sandbox has borders to keep the sand inside...

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2012-07-07 17:12:29 UTC
Th3 Ladyship wrote:
So, if we were to play devil's advocate. What kind of setup are we talking? I cant seem to have one work well enough. Even if i take the covert offensive subsystem off its still kinda iffy.


For low sec? Carry a refit. I swap two subs on my Tengu (covops for accelerated ejection bay and emergent locus analyzer for dissolution sequencer) along with some mods (tank stays the same, add a launcher, strip off the codebreaker, add a BCU) when I want to run a combat site. Travel fit also has an expanded cargohold for more ammunition/loot. Just don't get yourself camped in to a station and you should be fine that way.
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