Player Features and Ideas Discussion

LOL 'make low sec worthwhile'
I'll make a bil a day easy in lowsec, no sweat. How much more worthwhile do you want it to get?

If you aren't making money in lowsec, you don't really know how to play EVE


edit: How to make EVE awesomer
30sec delay on local in nullsec
Give low sec gate guns a sig resolution, so they do relatively less damage to frigs/cruisers, but relatively more to BS. Allow bombs
Allow boomerang in hisec again

A player who, unlike hi-sec bears, has all four of the neurons required to react when a hostile makes his presence apparent.

1) See Hostile in local
2) Pull drones (if necessary)
3) Initiate warp to (safe spot/POS/etc)
4) Report hostile in intel channel

Wow, that does fit in 4.

So the players make it safe, because the game mechanics make it safe.

Nice.

It's called a awoxer alt. It works quite the charm.

Actually bro, he already defined it:

event 1. neutral/red jumps into 0.0 system
event 2. every hulk/raven/cnr/vindicator/maradeur/carrier click on "Warp to POS/SS/DOCK."

That, imo, is a perfect definition of a nullbear, someone who's afraid of his own shadow.

0.0 local actually is a problem, because you're always aware of danger / potential target. It also encourages blobbing (i.e. fighting in huge masses of ships to overwhelm the opponent with sheer numbers), rather than the use of actual tactics (diversions, hit and run attacks on supply lines, battle maneuvers, etc.). By turning 0.0 local into WH-like chat, you'd bring both the opportunity for smaller groups AND the potential risk against good system scanners.

Now, what would happen if there was no 0.0 local? Our nullbear could of course use preventive measures to feel safer (the mighty skills of using D-scan :p ), but there would always be a chance that a cov ops ship could get a drop on him, that an enemy armada is hiding just out of reach, etc.


Truth be told, if one is a 0.0 bloodthirsty fighter, I see absolutely no disadvantages to the introduction of this mechanic - if anything, it would make the battles even more fun. Or am I missing something? (note: I actually prefer WH over 0.0 precisely because of local; it just feels a lot more risky and there's noway to run if someone catches you with your pants down).



I've actually commented on this a few days ago, calling it "perceived safety". Essentially, a lot of people who live in high sec feel safe because of Concord, though for instance Jita deaths clearly show that this is silly and that high sec is no safer, it just costs the attacker a bit more. On the other hand, people will freak out if they'd have to enter low sec, much less actually go to null sec, they equate that with instant death. The first time I entered low sec, I considered it an instant death based on the stories. You know what happened? Absolutely nothing, I didn't lose a ship there for weeks. But until you do that first step, the perceived safety of the high sec is what often guides your actions.

Get blobbed

Mmmm, I can see what you're saying, and I suppose there is a lack of places to go for someone new to null, what with the lack of useable stations, but for the limited play times, you can just log and provided you don't have aggression, people aren't going to find you. Logging back in again is little different to jumping into the system, only you come out somewhere where they're less likely to expect you.

As for renting a system, that doesn't necessarily reduce their risk, because they still have to learn how to use said system effectively, what with the whole warpy-warpy run away. Also, people will still kill them, because there's no use having lots of ore if you can't get it to somewhere that people are willing to buy it.

Main point is that whilst null might not be suited to people's playstyles, there are more people in high who shouldn't be commenting on null because they're never really been there (and so don't KNOW that it isn't suited to their playstyle), whereas everyone in null has played in highsec.

bring a fleet

you have clearly never lived in null.

There is nearly ZERO risk in highsec overall, mission running is absolute zero risk (dont fly something expensive enough to attract gankers and ignore can flippers and its zero risk), mining is pretty low risk, contrary to popular belief suicide ganks of miners are still fairly rare as a % of the total hulks out mining (if ganking were that much of an issue then the economy would be suffering hyperinflation due to low supply of highsec minerals, and highsec mineral prices are still reasonable).

There is always some risk in 0.0, yes you normally POS up when non-blues enter local, but sometimes thats not possible due to being scrammed by rats, stuck on roid, being awoxed, etc. Then add in the risks of travel, jump bridges dont eliminate the need to use gates, and even with intel channels you can still jump into an enemy gate camp if it wasn't reported or get bombed/hotdropped on a jump bridge, etc.

If you look at the killboards for most major nullsec alliances you will see that we do indeed lose carebear ships in non-consensual pvp on a pretty regular basis (TEST loses a few ratters a day to roaming gangs pretty consistently).

Sov null in most regions is definitely safer than lowsec or npc null (as it should be), but its in no way safer than highsec if you have even the slightest bit of sense (how many pimped out mission boats die in highsec each day to people stupid enough to mission while wardecced lol)