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What's after a Domi?

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Derlanus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-04 14:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Derlanus
Hi, All

I've just returned to EVE after a long time off. I know a lot has changed and was hoping for some suggestions/help regarding mission boats.

Before I left, I was using a Dominix for missioning. Was able to do most lvl 4 with a solid tank if being careful about triggers and multiple spawns. Most of my skills are in drones (little over 1.5mil) and mechanics (about 1.6mil) for the armor repair. But my gunnery skills are quite low (0.5mil).

This used to be a mining character that I boosted the drones/mechanics so I could run lvl 4 missions on the Domi, so my "combat skills" are quite low. I now want to focus on mission running (Gallente space) and was wondering which direction to take. What ship to go for next.

My goal is to speed up lvl 4 missions a little (some used to take me hours to finish) and to be a little less worried about going afk for a while durring a mission (I know your millage may vary on afk missioning Lol). I also read that changes were made to mission triggers and hybrid guns? So I'm not sure of the implications for missioning now.

I have Gallente Battleship 4. Should I work on gun skills and go for a Mega or Hyperion? Before I left the game the last time, I tried a mission with the Hype and the armor tank couldn't handle the mission and was melting away. Or should I throw in the towel and skill up from scratch for a Caldari ship?

I read that the Machariel is the way to go but since I just got back into the game, I don't have a lot of ISK to burn and can't afford one.

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2 - 2012-07-04 14:19:03 UTC
Domi is a great mission boat. Unless you have good gun skills, the other two won't do nearly as well.
Noisrevbus
#3 - 2012-07-04 14:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
If you intend to leave the comfort of Empire for better income, the most natural progression from a Domi is a Thanatos.

If you intend to stay in the kiddie pool the progression from a Domi is likely toward a Rattlesnake, utilizing shared skills.

Then you have various sidegrades which may be better at some things, such as the Ishtar or Proteus (Incursions, Sites).

Do not underestimate the value of a Carrier, and your ability to get into one with Domi-skills, in the breadth of the game.

Keep in mind that L4 in Empire is only a small select portion of the game. There's much more to see.

ed. Train BS 5 on your Domi first though, and yes, Navy Domi.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-04 14:35:17 UTC
Domi Navy issue... ?

No Worries

Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-07-04 14:35:19 UTC
Machariel's apparently one of the premier mission runners, but it's expensive and time-consuming to train into (especially the projectile gunnery skills).

If you can use T2 sentry drones and heavy drones, you're in great shape; if not, those should be medium-term targets, because with them, the Domi apparently becomes a missioning monster. It's been buffed by the addition of drone damage augmentor mods with Inferno.

The hybrid gun buffs are mostly easing of their fitting requirements and halving of their reload time to 5 seconds instead of 10, plus a damage buff in the 10% range; nice but not spectacular, though they make it possible for some old fits to upgrade their guns.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

dowens504
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-04 15:05:42 UTC
Go for low hanging fruit first. Reevaluate your fit, there are new drone modules that you should examine and integrate in to your fit. After that save your isk, pick up a navy domi. For skills I'd say train up your gunnery skills so you can get large hybrids on your domi and secondary skills to support them. Then refine your drone skills, t2 sentries, etc. If you do this and save your isk as you go you can start diversifying skills and will have the risk to experiment with different ships.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#7 - 2012-07-04 16:16:48 UTC
The domi gets more than half of its DPS from guns, train your gunnery skills, get some shield skills, and rock a 425mm rail shield tanked monster domi.

The idea is you want to go from THIS (or however the hell you fit your domi)

to THIS

(also note that the ogres are a personal preference, as I find I waste more time slowboating than I do actually shooting things in most missions when I use sentries)
Khoul Ay'd
The Affiliation
#8 - 2012-07-04 16:17:00 UTC
Based on the total skill points you described, it sounds like you have a solid armor tank, but you need to work on your offense.

Its time to concentrate on the drones skills, as you are no where near having maxed drone skills. Drone Interfacing 5 and Sentries 5 should be your priority as that is where you will see the Dominix shine, the DPS is impressive once those two are maxed. After that I'd knock out Heavy Drones V as some missions drop you on top of your opponent, so little to no commute time for brawling drones.

Consider pursuing the Elite Drone Operator cert, although some will argue that Drone Durability 5 and EW Drone Interfacing 5 are unnecessary (decide for yourself). Also, have you trained Gallente Battleship at least to level 4? The Dominix' drones bonus is nothing to sniff at.

Once you are satisfied with your drone skills, I'd consider the long haul to Large Railgun Spec. 5, but that's dependent on your goals. You could go also missiles instead, if you plan on pursuing a Rattlesnake.

Finally, as was mentioned above, get in a Navy Domi. It doesn't sound like a big improvement, but that extra mid slot makes a huge difference.

The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it

Elsa Nietchize
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-04 21:08:14 UTC
thanatos
Derlanus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-05 12:53:19 UTC
Thank you for all your suggestions.

Is it true they've changed the way triggers work in missions?

Also, I've been looking at some fittings for a Navy Domi and usually see only one Large Armor Repairer. My experience from before was that one repairer wasn't quite enough to mitigate all the damage coming in during tough missions. Is it just a matter of blowing the NPCs up before they blow you up?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-07-05 13:00:24 UTC
Derlanus wrote:
Thank you for all your suggestions.

Is it true they've changed the way triggers work in missions?

Also, I've been looking at some fittings for a Navy Domi and usually see only one Large Armor Repairer. My experience from before was that one repairer wasn't quite enough to mitigate all the damage coming in during tough missions. Is it just a matter of blowing the NPCs up before they blow you up?


In short: yes.

You can also pimp your ride with a deadspace repper.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#12 - 2012-07-05 13:58:19 UTC
ishtar.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#13 - 2012-07-05 14:07:28 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
ishtar.

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for PVE...
Alayna Le'line
#14 - 2012-07-05 14:13:58 UTC
Derlanus wrote:
Also, I've been looking at some fittings for a Navy Domi and usually see only one Large Armor Repairer. My experience from before was that one repairer wasn't quite enough to mitigate all the damage coming in during tough missions. Is it just a matter of blowing the NPCs up before they blow you up?


I only fly my regular Dominix with one LAR (but with 4 hardeners, though been thinking of cutting it down to 3). Unless I screw up the triggers it handles incoming mission damage just fine.

But as stated before, you really want to train drones more if you stick with a drone boat (T2 heavies/sentries should be high on the priority list)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-07-05 16:11:55 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
ishtar.

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for PVE...


Good example of how gross generalizations can be false. Depends highly on what aspect of PVE you are talking about.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#16 - 2012-07-05 18:49:05 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Cambarus wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
ishtar.

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for PVE...


Good example of how gross generalizations can be false. Depends highly on what aspect of PVE you are talking about.

The areas in which the ishtar is better are few and far between, and are mostly considered niche, If you must be anal about it, I suppose it would be more accurate to say:

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for HIGHSEC PVE.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-07-05 20:00:01 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Cambarus wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
ishtar.

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for PVE...


Good example of how gross generalizations can be false. Depends highly on what aspect of PVE you are talking about.

The areas in which the ishtar is better are few and far between, and are mostly considered niche, If you must be anal about it, I suppose it would be more accurate to say:

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for HIGHSEC PVE.



I don't consider exploration a niche. And the Ishtar beats the pants off the domi in highsec exploration, since i dont think there are any plexes that allow a BS.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#18 - 2012-07-05 21:16:06 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Cambarus wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Cambarus wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
ishtar.

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for PVE...


Good example of how gross generalizations can be false. Depends highly on what aspect of PVE you are talking about.

The areas in which the ishtar is better are few and far between, and are mostly considered niche, If you must be anal about it, I suppose it would be more accurate to say:

The ishtar isn't even half as good as the domi for HIGHSEC PVE.



I don't consider exploration a niche. And the Ishtar beats the pants off the domi in highsec exploration, since i dont think there are any plexes that allow a BS.
Highsec exploration is a niche, Not a terribly small one, but still a niche.
Nicaragua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-07-05 21:45:43 UTC
Derlanus wrote:
Thank you for all your suggestions.

Is it true they've changed the way triggers work in missions?

Also, I've been looking at some fittings for a Navy Domi and usually see only one Large Armor Repairer. My experience from before was that one repairer wasn't quite enough to mitigate all the damage coming in during tough missions. Is it just a matter of blowing the NPCs up before they blow you up?


The reason you can get away with a single armour rep theses days is that ships now can fit rigs which boost the effectiveness of armour reps.
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#20 - 2012-07-06 05:28:34 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
Highsec exploration is a niche, Not a terribly small one, but still a niche.


Lol talk about being anal about it... highsec exploration must also be a "not terribly small niche".
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