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Somer Blink: Legit or Scam?
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Zeomebuch Nova
Undrinkable Grog Inc.
#101 - 2012-07-05 08:02:31 UTC
engaging damage control in 4...3...2...1... oh wait, it was already activated.
Aegir Oceanus
Perkone
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-07-05 10:54:25 UTC
Flirty Girl wrote:
My story:

It is a scam. Bar none. Somer looks to fleece the big blinkers and not the little ones. Its the guys blinking the Dreads and Rorqs that are making Somer isk.

Every time I would be up and have isk in my bank, someone would show up and just clean me out. If I bought all but one ticket, the one ticket I didn't buy would win. Every time. And I am not the only one. Sometimes it would just be three people playing Ultra blinks, I would be on a convo with the other party, and no matter what we did or how we did it, the unknown 3rd party would win it. And not lose a blink they played. No one has luck that good. My losses would be streaks of over 15 losses, then I might win one. Then streaks of 15 losses again. Over and over. After awhile watching the losses mounting and it never once turning around, I walked away. About 60 billion isk lighter.

If I flip a coin, odds are 50/50. If I flip 5,000 coins or just one coin 5,000 times, the odds of winning will still be 50/50. And I should have won and lost close to 50% of the time. But that never happened. My wins amounted to roughly 25% on exclusively betting on half the tickets.

Yes, this is an alt.


Mate, everything you've said before you're flipping coin stuff is your own opinion, which i respect.
But you should double check you math. The odds on you winning 50% of the time itself are 0.5^5000= 7.0798......x 10^-1506 , IF you bought 50% of the tickets every single time. I'd say winning 25% is pretty damn good.

As to my personal opinion on the blog, he makes some good points on the blog, and highlights out some points that to people that may not realize by themselves. But the tone in the entire blog makes him sound more like a whiny b***** than some one speaking out of concern for others, and to sell his point he does use similar marketing techniques that he points out Blink uses.
Danjae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2012-07-05 11:57:39 UTC
You say Blink not money laundering mashine? You say Blink is Legit?

Then watch this:

Blink Laundering
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#104 - 2012-07-05 12:16:27 UTC
By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.

Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.

That's gambling.
Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#105 - 2012-07-05 12:21:13 UTC
I have played blink for well in excess of a year. I know the playerbase and the team.

To the poster above with the screenshot. I have done similar after unlocking 1b isk credit in awards and again after winning one billion isk credit in a promo. I tried to purchase as many tickets as possible on a cap ship and vargur to maximise my isk return from the credits I was awarded.

I won a thanatos and lost the vargur, it is how the game goes. Like all gambling, you win and lose.

In over a year of blinking I am still up several billion is isk and assets. I have walked away when low on isk and stayed when on a lucky streak...... that is gambling.

I do not believe there is any cheating or rigging as has been seen by Somer Blinks' so called competitors.

Somer Blink is, and will remain the fairest and best gambling site in eve.

There are many good people in the chat channels and in Blinks Teamspeak server. The customer service is unsurpassed in Eve, CCP should take a leaf out of Somers' customer service book.

If you like to gamble spare isk, there is not better place to be.

For those calling sham can you please show me on this doll where your wallet used to be? Bad losers are the worst people in game.
Danjae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-07-05 12:22:07 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.

Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.

That's gambling.


Dont be saw infantile ))

Or you are the one from Somers team alts, that dont see the reality?Bear
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#107 - 2012-07-05 12:25:56 UTC
I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted.
Danjae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2012-07-05 12:29:26 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted.


Then you must calculate- that Bonus blink not visible until all tickets are purcashed.

And at 250 T celebration bonus blink was something 1 bonus blink per 50.

Saw calculate one more time ))
Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2012-07-05 12:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrev Nox
Abditus Cularius wrote:
I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted.


That particular Blink appears to have happened during our 250T celebration this week - which is why it has the 2x bonus payout. :) The bonus double payout isn't a guaranteed thing, it only has a chance to happen when the Blink closes, which is why there's ~tinfoil~ in the screenshot post. The person gambling took a chance of lowering their overall credit balance on the site for a nearly-sure bet.

Dilli's explination above is the most common for this kind of thing - they have credit in their account and want to cash it out in a near sure bet.

Edit to add:

Or they could have been intending to cycle it for the 5% bonus credit, making it a wash expense (if they win) but an increase in promo tokens and 17 tickets to the 250B Blast giveaway.

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Danjae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2012-07-05 12:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Danjae
Or RMT Laundering. A think CCP must check character on screen shot and his transactions saw we all would know if I am right or not Smile

If not ,then somer blink is hell legit Lol
Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-07-05 12:47:40 UTC
It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p

But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Danjae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-07-05 12:51:45 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p

But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)


You forgot to mention from WHERE that character get money first time, before he deposited it to blink Bear

I dont need to petition I will keep an eye on Blink to get more proofs )))

Fly safe Big smile
Danfen Fenix
#113 - 2012-07-05 12:54:42 UTC
Danjae wrote:
Andrev Nox wrote:
It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p

But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)


You forgot to mention from WHERE that character get money first time, before he deposited it to blink Bear

I dont need to petition I will keep an eye on Blink to get more proofs )))

Fly safe Big smile




10 mil says he'll be keeping his eye for a long time...

Edit: Or wait...could I be scamming... Blink
Cyndre Valryssian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2012-07-05 13:57:48 UTC
I can confirm I'm a happy blinker here and hardly seems a scam to me. So far won a Rattlesnake, Oracle and Manty so profit wise I'm about 500mil up on what I used.
The danger is like in all gambling, it's pretty hard to stop with the old Just one more blink mindset :P
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-07-05 15:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Soundwave Plays Diablo
Abditus Cularius wrote:
By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.

Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.

That's gambling.


There's something wrong with that pic, its not the same ratio as before...

Hmm, its an "ultra" blink and they lose money on it.

Looking at an ultra blink right now, for the same item, and if you buy 15/16 tickets you will pay more than the actual ship value.

So terribad gambling skills.

Betting more than the prize makes no ******* sense whatsoever.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-07-05 15:44:42 UTC
These kind of things have been around for years. They're not legit, and they're not scams. The vast amount in income rolling in heavily outweighs the cost of things going out, and this is how the thing is structured. Ponzi or pyramid, you decide. Personally, I don't take part in these things; got better things to do with my time and money (real and internet space dollars).
Panacani
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-07-05 15:48:42 UTC
Yes it is a scam.

Sooner or later there is going to be another game news article about some well known and respected gambling establishment in eve making off with thousands of plex worth of peoples isk, and everyone will be shocked and dismayed, and eve will get more free marketing.

With the history of long-running trusted activities that eventually turned scam, I'm really surprised people still use these things. Of course it is gambling I suppose, and gambling personalities tend to take that risk anyway.
ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-07-05 16:47:10 UTC
What can I say that hasn't already been said in this tread? A couple of things:

The arguments on the anti-Somer site are absolutely terrible. They demonstrate a huge amount of either ignorance or willful misinformation.

Like any lottery, Somer Blink is just a tax on the willing or the stupid.

Here's the coolest thing to me:

Somer uses some of the site's huge profits to sponsor cool Eve community things, like the Bringing Solo Back podcast or RVB in ATX. What Somer is doing is contributing to the sandbox: helping to create player-driven content. Both with the blink website and with the sponsorships. This is the single most valuable thing anyone can do in Eve: without player-driven content, Eve dies.

And even if Somer eventually ends the blink lotteries without returning everyone's deposits (the former will most likely happen, and the latter is anyone's guess), even THAT will be another, final contribution to the Eve sandbox.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-07-05 17:00:59 UTC
Panacani wrote:
Yes it is a scam.

Sooner or later there is going to be another game news article about some well known and respected gambling establishment in eve making off with thousands of plex worth of peoples isk, and everyonenobody will be shocked and dismayed, and eve will get more free marketing.


Fixed it for you. No need to thank me.
Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-07-05 17:25:33 UTC
Played 60 promo blinks, won nothing
Watched one guy win 2 of them within 60 seconds of each other.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!


In other news, this thread really has boosted the number of people blinking, have a look on their statistics page at the last weeks activity

There should be a rather awesome pic here