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Bring back L5 missions to high-sec, please!
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#21 - 2012-07-02 16:05:45 UTC
Baron Deathicon wrote:
Colonel Xaven wrote:
Baron Deathicon wrote:
You people are not fair. What? All I want is to do these level 5 again in high-sec. I don't care about the reward.


What's wrong with them in lowsec?


Technically, its not an issue, its just that we don't have the choice right now. Some days I like PvP, some days I couldn't care less about it.
Then do level 5s on the days you like PvP. Win win.

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FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#22 - 2012-07-02 19:20:38 UTC
Could someone, who has run level 5s, enlighten me as to the overall benefits of Level 5s?
How much better was the pay and the standings increase from them. I noticed that with a few players in fleet a Level 4 would give 5 people each about 0.02 per finished mission in standing. How were Level 5s?
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#23 - 2012-07-02 19:28:26 UTC
Baron Deathicon wrote:

As a player, I should be able to run any mission level (1-5), in the security band (high/low/null-sec) of my choice.


No, you should not be able to. Risk vs Reward
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#24 - 2012-07-02 19:43:11 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Baron Deathicon wrote:

As a player, I should be able to run any mission level (1-5), in the security band (high/low/null-sec) of my choice.


No, you should not be able to. Risk vs Reward

I think he means the content should be available to all, and he doesn't care about the reward.

The obvious issue being that most people do care about the reward.

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Kingston Black
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-07-02 20:58:38 UTC
grow a pair and do lvl 5's in lowsec.

Most of lowsec is completely dead anyways and if the area is occupied you could #gasp# talk to them and make friends / allies and defend each other while doing pve Shocked

naw who am I kidding just cry that you cant do high level content solo in a massively multiplayer game maybe ccp will change things
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-02 21:28:08 UTC
Level 5s were never intended to be in highsec. So, in effect, you're asking CCP to reintroduce a game-breaking bug.

If we're doing that, CCP allow supercapitals in highsec again. Thank you.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#27 - 2012-07-02 21:56:01 UTC
Covert Kitty wrote:
How about instead l4's are removed from hs as well and hs incursions get another nerf. Risk free isk should be very strictly limited.

Hs pve content should be able to buy you an assault frig in about two hours, which ideally one could then use to start running basic pve content in low,null,or c1's

HS should be relegated to last resort pve for all but brand new players



This can't be quoted enough.

And honestly, give the rats a real AI (think an RTS AI for each rat corp/faction) and make them all entirely destructible (as well as needing to build their own **** rather than spawn from thin air) just like players are, or else get them the **** out of the sandbox.

Otherwise: stop calling EVE a sandbox, make it F2P, and watch it die slowly in anonymity.

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Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-07-04 09:16:52 UTC
Baron Deathicon wrote:
Once upon a time, capsulers were able to run mission level 5 in high-sec, which was quite a lot of fun. Some day, this was removed from the PvE game-play to promote PvP-PvE. This new rule removed the option to opt-in for PvP in end-game PvE content by forcing people to run level 5 missions in low/null-sec. Now if we opt-out of PvP, we are left with level 4 missions, which you will agree with me, aren't a challenge for most sufficiently advanced players.

I would really like that it is considered again, that you, CCP, offer level 5 missions again in high-sec. I am not saying it should be brought back the way it was before. Maybe the rewards needs adjustments, or the difficulty needs to be tuned (greater or less). In any case, there's a gap that needs to be filled, at least for players that opt-out of PvP.

I am covinced it would be best to offer level 1-5 in all security bands of EVE. Also, it would be much welcome that missions accepted in a security band stays in the same security band. For instance that would allow the players to choose which security band they want their missions to happen, for all missions, level 1-5. I am confident this should be fairly easy to implement, since this is not like re-inventing the game, but simply allowing for a greater range of playability in this awesome sandbox universe.

As a player, I should be able to run any mission level (1-5), in the security band (high/low/null-sec) of my choice.


This wont happen, but I do agree that it should.

There is to meny childish players ( this includes ccp ) in EVE to even consider this :P
I'd like to see some company pick up on EVE's pve parts and start their own game.... guess were most EVE'ers will go at that point?
Signal11th
#29 - 2012-07-04 13:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
There are people that make a nice chunk of ISK running L5s in low-sec. From what I've seen, if you take the proper precautions they are relatively safe, and the rewards far outstrip the risk.

Perhaps you should take a look at what is holding you back from running L5s in low sec as opposed to high-sec?



This man speaks the truth, during a recent hiatus in low-sec (thx GSF) I ran level 5's solo in low sec and to be honest out of the 40 odd missions I ran only once did someone actively try to probe me out.

This is easily negated by always aligning and always popping the scrams first. as always there is always an element of risk for about 2 mins per mission but after that unless you're a complete numpty you can't fail.

Christ you can train a second alt in about 3 weeks just to warp in after you draw aggro to pop the scrammers for you.

From doing both, lvl 4's win hands down for the isk value and complete lack of danger (unless in pinyata).

What is needed is more content. Missions are flat and boring.

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Britannica
Legion of Ghost
#30 - 2012-07-04 14:28:28 UTC
lets leave missions as they are, there needs to be incentives for people to venture into low sec and the level 5 missions qualify as an incentive
Angst IronShard
#31 - 2012-07-04 14:58:05 UTC
no
Baron Deathicon
Outerspace Vanguard
#32 - 2012-07-07 19:00:57 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

I think he means the content should be available to all, and he doesn't care about the reward.

The obvious issue being that most people do care about the reward.


This.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#33 - 2012-07-07 19:04:29 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
...
But if you introduce lvl5s into high sec at the same isk/hour as lvl4s...

That would be awesome IMO. I don't care about rewards. That would be much more entertaining.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#34 - 2012-07-07 20:17:10 UTC
Britannica wrote:
lets leave missions as they are, there needs to be incentives for people to venture into low sec and the level 5 missions qualify as an incentive


No amount of incentive will convince anyone to go beyond his risk threshold. Failure to understand this is one fo the reasons why CCP wastes endless amounts of effort trying to keep 15% of the players content while 75% of them eventually grow bored and quit just because there's not enough stuff to do within their risk threshold, which in turn is dictated by Real Life and the inability to sink endless hours recovering from loses.

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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#35 - 2012-07-07 20:19:46 UTC
Or you can stop worrying about losing internet spaceship pixels.
Baron Deathicon
Outerspace Vanguard
#36 - 2012-07-07 21:02:08 UTC
All of you complaining about my original post don't get what I am saying...

  • I am not worried about losing ships.
  • I don't care if the reward is equivalent to Level 4 missions.
  • I don't always want to PvP when I run missions.
  • I have nothing against PvP.
  • I do not believe Level 5 missions where broken when they were available to high-sec.


All I want is the ability to be able to run them where I want, ffs. Stop arguing about risk versus reward, or losing ships, and all that stuff. All I am interested in, is the subject of my original post. kthxbye
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#37 - 2012-07-07 21:36:02 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Or you can stop worrying about losing internet spaceship pixels.


Have you ever played (and paid!) a game for 2 months to get a bunch of spaceship pixels?

Talk about what you know.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
#38 - 2012-07-07 21:39:50 UTC
Baron Deathicon wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I was in Aridia recently, the only systems with people in them were the ones with lvl5 agents. As far as I'm aware, level 5s are very popular in a number of regions, and there are corps and alliances that use them as their primary source of income.

As for the OP, and allowing them back in high sec, you may say rewards don't interest you. You may even be telling the truth. But would you be willing to nerf level fours, so level fives could take their place? Because if you did that solo/newer players would whine.

But if you introduce lvl5s into high sec at the same isk/hour as lvl4s, again people whine. Whatever way you look at it, it would just end up another high sec buff. And you can't nerf other high sec activities to fit in, because people whine, and you can't buff low/null even more to keep it balanced because it would just total the economy.

Basically, you'd be best off just joining a low sec corp that live in a system with a lvl5 agent.

Also, lol@opting out of PvP. Gl with that in Eve.


I wouldn't want them to be soloable. Would be nice if they were designed for a handful of players, with the reward equal to be doing a level 4 after the split. So it wouldn't pay more than a level 4 per player, but would require team work.

Bah whatever.



You just described an incursion, if I am not mistaken. Once again a high sec CB wants everything for nothing. I am convinced it will never stop.

vr
East

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#39 - 2012-07-07 22:15:59 UTC
Easthir Ravin wrote:
Baron Deathicon wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I was in Aridia recently, the only systems with people in them were the ones with lvl5 agents. As far as I'm aware, level 5s are very popular in a number of regions, and there are corps and alliances that use them as their primary source of income.

As for the OP, and allowing them back in high sec, you may say rewards don't interest you. You may even be telling the truth. But would you be willing to nerf level fours, so level fives could take their place? Because if you did that solo/newer players would whine.

But if you introduce lvl5s into high sec at the same isk/hour as lvl4s, again people whine. Whatever way you look at it, it would just end up another high sec buff. And you can't nerf other high sec activities to fit in, because people whine, and you can't buff low/null even more to keep it balanced because it would just total the economy.

Basically, you'd be best off just joining a low sec corp that live in a system with a lvl5 agent.

Also, lol@opting out of PvP. Gl with that in Eve.


I wouldn't want them to be soloable. Would be nice if they were designed for a handful of players, with the reward equal to be doing a level 4 after the split. So it wouldn't pay more than a level 4 per player, but would require team work.

Bah whatever.



You just described an incursion, if I am not mistaken. Once again a high sec CB wants everything for nothing. I am convinced it will never stop.

vr
East

That isn't an incursion at all. Incursions are only Sansha. incursions involve competition (or so CCP thought). Incursions give out Concord LP.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-07-07 22:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortimer Civeri
Wow, OP comes of as an entitled prick. See folks this is what happens when mommy and daddy give their child everything he asks for. The kid doesn't learn how to work for what he wants, or even realise that he has to.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin