Out of Pod Experience

i might get flamed for this, or be a bit off topic... but i have a thing to say when it comes to democracy... why do a lot of people praise it?

first i want to say that i haven't taken a IQ test because i have a mental disability, however i consider myself above avg, i'm only saying this because i don't vote for the main parties (canada has more than two) simply because they are the same with different colors (liberal/conservative) is the same crap as democrat/republican.

what i want to mention regarding IQ just to argue why democracy isn't freedom so americans can realize why their government is corrupted is by doing a simple math equation.

90% of people have low IQ's, not worthy of mentioning, a lot of them are uneducated regarding politics.
90% of those people who are uneducated or unaware of politics can vote

the other 10% who follows politics and are educated are put in the same mix as the other 90% yet the 10% still argue on the internet that a dumb president with his dumb administration has taken office.

why do people say democracies work? it doesn't seem logical to me whatsoever... of course your government (including canada and many other countries) is going to be stupid... it's voted by stupid people.

canada has many other parties... but no one votes for them, in america's case you have no choice... it's either dummy 1 or dummy 2... and your country is split by demographics into red or blue states... it's all bullshit.

for canada, i would like NDP to win at least once to hopefully see some change, or a minority party like CPC, and for america... i used to follow bill maher, jon stewart, stephen colbert to entertain myself but after a few years, just hearing american news makes me cringe... it's so ******* stupid... you guys are ranked 17th in education or worse around the globe, yet wonder why the government is stupid when its also democratic with the majority of the populous being stupid.

isn't this either rigged for the wealthy to manipulate the masses or just plain redundant? nothing's going to change. ever.

when androids come alive, or cyborgs, i'm going to vote for them... let AI take over, screw voting for humans, i give up

(don't take this post too seriously)

edit: here's a scenario

9 people vote for a sky father to save the country
1 scientist decides to figure out immortality

consensus = the scientist is the devil, so christians own the western world

dafuq? what's that? no right to healthcare because I'm forcing someone _else_ to pay for it? no right to food because I'm forcing someone else to produce it??? shell we eat each other or die starving to be more "natural" dude? the law of the jungle applied to urban environment? oh nous, it's the concept of freedom of a US citizen above average QI

Also the rest of the chat about democracies being voted by idiots is interesting, I'm sure you would have fit very well in Germany among the 1930-1945 years, wasn't the plan to make a better race after all?
I only know I don't have all the necessary QI to know if someone is an idiot or if he will be a good citizen, even because even a total dumbass is able to see and easily understand that the rich and the "very smart ones" are destroying the world nowadays. Who did create the 2008 crash? The poor not able to pay their debts? Or those few who invented the subprime foolishness forcing the US government to approve it and to grant NO CONTROL on those kind of financial products and spent someone else's money in super-colossal bets? Guys, if you weren't in a democracy of idiots now you would be a chinese province!! Can you believe it? It's just like that!

So, democracy it's not the golden truth, and no one is thinking it should, it's only the best way to live together in a reasonable "good enough" way. Find a better ones or change planet plz

Funnily enough the aristocracy during the middle ages thought similar till the black death showed up, disease respects neither station, race, creed, colour or religion.
which translates to universal health care is a social responsibility and if you dont accept it, sooner or later it will come back to bite you in the ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

also add in the fact in the states you do get medical bankruptcy's where people end up bankrupt due to medical expenses etc.

having national healthcare besides private healthcare also forces health care insurers/ providers to provide it at a REASONABLE price or watch people take the public option provided.
The NHS is not perfect by any means and has its flaws but it also means even the poorest of people, some of the most vulnerable within society can also get the medical help they need, rather than suffer and die.

Quite the strawman argument. I said you don't have a right to food because that would require compelling someone to produce it for you, and you present the false dichotomy of that or cannibalism.

Let's shrink this down and say our whole society is a village of 50 people. You're the only baker. We all decide we have a right to bread. One day you wake up and don't want to make bread. Too bad, we say. WE HAVE RIGHTS. Make us our bread or you are violating our rights. In order for us to have a right to bread, your right to freedom of choice has to be given up. Breadmaking becomes compulsory in a world where bread is a right.

Now, notice that there is nothing in any of that stopping anyone else from making, possessing, or consuming bread. The same can be applied to healthcare, internet access, and many other things. You can't assert as right that which mandates the action of others.

If you can't support a family on $50,000 a year you're terrible with money or you live somewhere that people grossly overvalue real estate. My family's budget is made so that we can survive on $40,000 a year without hurting our credit standings. That would mean no vacations and cutting back on some services, but we can do it. Anything about $40k is a luxury and I intend to continue living that way.

I can't bloody read. Also, I've been having to listen to people bleat about how hard it is to live on six-figure incomes. Makes me want to slap them. It's a pity I have to work with the snobs.

If you worked two full days a week at minimum wage, you'd make more than $5,000 a year. I find it hard to believe that a non-disabled person can't find *something*.

I can't give an answer as to how they manage to be that low or even try to understand how they deal with life but it looks like according to this quickly googled chart almost 4% of our population is in that boat.

I know one guy that I'm going to school with who was telling me back in May that all he's managed was about 5 grand this year. He does labor in home construction but as we all know the housing market crashed which has all but stopped new homes going up in my state. This means that he is now looking for work along with all of the other displaced construction workers (4 more classmates also work in the same field but have been on larger scale projects). We could tell him to get work at a gas station or fast food joint but you must also keep in mind that each year we get a new wave of people entering the workforce while the job selection may not actually change that much in the area. Yes part of it is putting yourself out there, but another part is counting on what really is out there and what you are qualified for.

The cheapest food, combined with low amount of work, does that to you. Healthy food usually costs a lot more. Being fat has nothing to do with income in this day and age, unless you are so poor that you live like African kids starving.

ok I get your point better now :)

still you are slightly incorrect. You should change your example in this way

"since in our country we can only grow wheat, and since we can only eat the bread you make out of that wheat, THEN we all decided we have a right to bread."

That would make completely sense, and I should feel your rights as a duty, since if I don't make bread you all die. That is what happens when you deny healthcare to people, poor or rich, they both die! In a system or nation where you must pay to receive your treatments, I'd say we can call it borderline eugenics.

Said that lemme tell you I don't think Obama is the messiah and that he probably failed even with this ObamaCare thing, but the direction is the right one at least.