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How to avoid recruitment scams?

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Miguel Bendaros
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-07-01 08:02:06 UTC
Not really a new player here but my job has pretty much kept me in hi-sec the last couple years.

However,

I quit my job and am gonna take a year or so off and i'm planning a lot of null sec in that year. Unfortunately all I seem to hear about are recruitment scams all over the place and I haven't really figured out how to be 100% sure if the corp that wants me to join is legit,

The last corp I almost joined..everything was looking good, then the recruiter suggested I bring my 4.5 bil golem into nullsec as a ratter which set off some alarm bells. Then I realized the authorization page i was sent to had a totally different url to the actual alliance page(which had it's own authorization page) . Luckily I noticed all this before creating any courier contracts.

Now I'm just totally paranoid. I feel like I can't trust anyone and I'll be taking a chance no matter who I join. How can I be sure the corp that's inviting me actually wants me to join and doesn't want to just steal my stuff?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-01 08:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Miguel Bendaros wrote:
Not really a new player here but my job has pretty much kept me in hi-sec the last couple years.

However,

I quit my job and am gonna take a year or so off and i'm planning a lot of null sec in that year. Unfortunately all I seem to hear about are recruitment scams all over the place and I haven't really figured out how to be 100% sure if the corp that wants me to join is legit,

The last corp I almost joined..everything was looking good, then the recruiter suggested I bring my 4.5 bil golem into nullsec as a ratter which set off some alarm bells. Then I realized the authorization page i was sent to had a totally different url to the actual alliance page(which had it's own authorization page) . Luckily I noticed all this before creating any courier contracts.

Now I'm just totally paranoid. I feel like I can't trust anyone and I'll be taking a chance no matter who I join. How can I be sure the corp that's inviting me actually wants me to join and doesn't want to just steal my stuff?


1.) NEVER pay anybody to join a corp. It's a scam.

2.) NEVER let people ship all your stuff into null-sec. Start with some smaller (less expensive) ships to check the alliance / corp / null-sec out. If in time you find these guys trustworthy you can always bring in more (expensive) ships to use.

3.) Do some background research on the corp. Search the forums about what they do (if they steal people's stuff, those people will complain on forums), check their kill-board, check EVEwho.com (it shows who is in the corp + when people joined / left), join their public chat for a while to talk to them (get to know the guys).

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#3 - 2012-07-01 14:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
The only corp I know of who have the fake AUTH website is GSF, the rest aren't nearly as clever about it. Sadly, had you taken even 5seconds to research the name you'd see they neither recruit EvE players and if you do, you're being scammed.

Ask yourself "what is in it for them if I join?" and if you can't think of a better reason than "my stuff" then it's likely a bad call.

General tips:

-Check out the recruitment forums, I believe they're all basically legit.
-Use the recruitment channel in game. It is an offense to *POST* a recruitment scam in that channel (but if you get a random conversation request, it's your risk).

Certain corp types are higher risk (WH corps, Nullsec corps) as your stuff is never totally secure.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-01 16:11:40 UTC
Use common sense.

Yes, sometimes the simplest explanations are the best. Smile

Bring your possibles.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-01 16:38:29 UTC
I dont mean to troll or anything, but you quit your job and what you planned to do for a year was EVE?

...


To answer your question, use common sense and youl be fine, dont trust people with too much of your stuff, and dont pay ISK to join for any reason.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-07-01 16:58:21 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
I dont mean to troll or anything, but you quit your job and what you planned to do for a year was EVE?

...

Well he has a job now...

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Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-01 21:54:30 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Sadly, had you taken even 5seconds to research the name you'd see they neither recruit EvE players and if you do, you're being scammed.


Not really true.
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#8 - 2012-07-01 22:13:22 UTC
Ogi Talvanen wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Sadly, had you taken even 5seconds to research the name you'd see they neither recruit EvE players and if you do, you're being scammed.


Not really true.


True enough for 95% of Eve, though. Pirate

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Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-02 01:42:05 UTC
[quote=Forum Clone 77777]I dont mean to troll or anything, but you quit your job and what you planned to do for a year was EVE?

...

Well Im fairly new and after playing this, his idea isnt bad at all...

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2012-07-02 02:44:31 UTC
Recruitment scams = I.Q. & gullibility tests. If you fall for them, you will fall for anything, hence they don't want you in their corp.

Why does the Nigerian e-mail scam still exist? Because they are looking for the most gullible people, which makes it easier to maximize their take.

1. Never pay ISK to join a corp.

2. Always ask for collateral on courier contracts to cover the full cost of items.

3. Don't move everything you own into their space. You might find it hard to get out later.

Do a Google search. Do a forum search (evesearch.com). Do a killboard search (eve-kill.net) Know the corp, alliance, and people you are dealing with (recruiters).

The golden rule of EVE: Everything good or bad that happens to you is because of your own actions or inaction. (i.e. it is always your own fault, or your own victory.)
Miguel Bendaros
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-07-02 04:00:41 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
I dont mean to troll or anything, but you quit your job and what you planned to do for a year was EVE?


That and study mandarin full time but yes mostly I want to take a break and play EVE.


Thanks for all the responses guys. I feel much better equipped now. As I said I was able to catch on before I lost anything so no harm done.


Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-02 18:24:19 UTC
The only thing a corp should ask from you is pertinent information.

like a limited api key etc.

They want to know your corp history, who you were with and why. What you want to do in game.

Eve is different because with good corps theres usually an application to fill out and a review process. Its not like: "hey join my guild!" or at least it shouldn't be.

Good corps have

1. Forums
2. A website
3. Voice coms
4. A clear mission statement

Never put money down. You canot join Test or Goons unless you are either a redditter or a something awful member.

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.
Amber Solaire
COMA Holdings
Cosmic Maniacs
#13 - 2012-07-03 01:04:22 UTC
Just don`t join Goons, as most are scammers who want to gank you...
Miguel Bendaros
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-07-03 13:33:19 UTC
the so called recruiter was from TEST. All makes sense now