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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#101 - 2012-07-01 12:53:03 UTC
Dedicated to all the True Americans out there. Lots of things could be said about this video, starting from who's singing and ending to who wrote it and what happened in/to your country in those few years, but well...... not my business.
I hope you'll enjoy this awesome perfomance and you like the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yuc4BI5NWU&feature=related

and happy birthday woody

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2012-07-01 16:37:23 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Only in America would so many overweight, diabetic people with heart disease be upset that they're gonna have free healthcare.


Wait, it's free now? Shocked


It is for someoneLol
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#103 - 2012-07-01 18:54:49 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
I still say this is the wrong way to handle this. I believe it was Switzerland that went down the same path before ending up with the socialized health care and quite frankly you'd think we would learn from their mistakes. The first blatant loophole that I've seen (and correct me if this has changed lately) is that insurance companies can no longer refuse people with obvious issues, BUT, there is no apparent ceiling as to what they can charge. I've already seen a bit of that myself when I received a email from the main office telling me that my coverage was too low and they'll be upping it automatically. I'm sorry what? Should I be expecting that often? Why did you give me the options if you are just going to be changing them anyways?
We should have either left it at private healthcare or gone straight over to socialized health reform (which we will most likely do after several years of being raped). But we didn't, and it just seems to be yet another let down in a series of many in the last decade.


Still fun to read these kind of comments. You'd think Europe was some kind of third world country where the homeless crowd all the public places in the hundreds and hospitals offer care on the level of the Spanish inquisition. Europe would possibly be on fire 99% of the time because of massive social uprising against the oppression of mandatory insurance and all that. Obviously that horrible little socialistic influence has ruined the continent and caused a massive exodus to the US where life is so much better.





Sorry.... Just had to do it. I just find it funny that so many Americans think that this is the end of the world. I can understand the arguments against it though and this is possibly a change that's coming too fast, especially with the rapidly changing political climate in the US where pretty much every 4 years there's a complete turnaround of plans. For that matter, i wonder how the US would fare if there were more than 2 parties to vote for.


Did you quote the wrong person or is reading comprehension at -4 because what I typed and what you typed aren't even in the same ballpark.

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Alara IonStorm
#104 - 2012-07-01 20:13:34 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
I still say this is the wrong way to handle this. I believe it was Switzerland that went down the same path before ending up with the socialized health care and quite frankly you'd think we would learn from their mistakes. The first blatant loophole that I've seen (and correct me if this has changed lately) is that insurance companies can no longer refuse people with obvious issues, BUT, there is no apparent ceiling as to what they can charge. I've already seen a bit of that myself when I received a email from the main office telling me that my coverage was too low and they'll be upping it automatically. I'm sorry what? Should I be expecting that often? Why did you give me the options if you are just going to be changing them anyways?
We should have either left it at private healthcare or gone straight over to socialized health reform (which we will most likely do after several years of being raped). But we didn't, and it just seems to be yet another let down in a series of many in the last decade.


Still fun to read these kind of comments. You'd think Europe was some kind of third world country where the homeless crowd all the public places in the hundreds and hospitals offer care on the level of the Spanish inquisition. Europe would possibly be on fire 99% of the time because of massive social uprising against the oppression of mandatory insurance and all that. Obviously that horrible little socialistic influence has ruined the continent and caused a massive exodus to the US where life is so much better.





Sorry.... Just had to do it. I just find it funny that so many Americans think that this is the end of the world. I can understand the arguments against it though and this is possibly a change that's coming too fast, especially with the rapidly changing political climate in the US where pretty much every 4 years there's a complete turnaround of plans. For that matter, i wonder how the US would fare if there were more than 2 parties to vote for.


Did you quote the wrong person or is reading comprehension at -4 because what I typed and what you typed aren't even in the same ballpark.

It isn't there fault.

The rest of the world has special filters that remove parts of posts made by Americans that they agree with. It slows down the hate America bandwagon but with this they can stream line their hatred efficiently. Most foreign computers come with it pre-installed and you have to remove it yourself if you want to read the whole internet.

By bolding the parts they like it allows them to see it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-07-01 23:09:06 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

It isn't there fault.

The rest of the world has special filters that remove parts of posts made by Americans that they agree with. It slows down the hate America bandwagon but with this they can stream line their hatred efficiently. Most foreign computers come with it pre-installed and you have to remove it yourself if you want to read the whole internet.

By bolding the parts they like it allows them to see it.


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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#106 - 2012-07-02 01:30:29 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I like the precedent.

Since I could be forced to be responsible for my health and purchase health insurance, I look forward to the day when everybody is forced to be responsible for their security and purchase a gun.

Will this happen?

So far, since it's perfectly OK for most people that birth control can be taxpayer-funded, I am still waiting for my taxpayer-funded ammunition. We even have it in the law of the land that firearms are to be maintained for the security of a "free state".


But lo and behold, I don't see that.

Little do the orcs over there in Mordor (Washington DC) know, that the one thing fueling the fires more than anything is a "double standard".

But I expect nothing less from a country that has a "black congressional caucus" and it's not called racist.

In the end I hope this is the end of American Exceptionalism, that ideal that America is special and great and can do no wrong. As America goes down the same socialist/fascistic death spiral as any other country, people will finally wake up. The country is on the way out, but de-coupling the concept of "liberty" from the idea that "United States government equals liberty" is my mission. There is nothing special about American and being an American but the concept of liberty and the protection of the most minor of minorities - the individual - is way more important. These ideals I hold high while, on the upcoming July 4th, I will watch people stuff their fat faces and go on in their zombie sleepwalk wondering if theirs will be the bones I might see bleaching alongside the highway someday.

Freedom will survive America.

There's a lot of stupid in this thread and I look forward to the lock. I see a lot of "capitalism is bad" yet we have not seen real capitalism for over a century. "socialism is trouble" they say. We have not had real socialism either.

If we had real capitalism, the "too big to fail" banks would have been allowed to fail. They were bailed out. If we had real socialism, then the money taken to bail out the banks would have been used to bail out the people.

But you can go on fighting amongst yourselves over this little thing.


^^That.^^

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2012-07-02 01:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Since I could be forced to be responsible for my health and purchase health insurance, I look forward to the day when everybody is forced to be responsible for their security and purchase a gun.

Will this happen?




Way ahead of you, I haz 2 guns and a rifle Cool

Also I chased off a n...egro that was trying to break into my truck Evil

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#108 - 2012-07-02 20:03:56 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

Way ahead of you, I haz 2 guns and a rifle Cool

Also I chased off a n...egro that was trying to break into my truck Evil


You can't do that!

Thats steriotyping!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#109 - 2012-07-02 21:31:30 UTC
I don't need a gun, just don't hang out with idiots or tards, and don't go around pissing people off, you don't know. Guns are crutches, and a comfort blanket.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#110 - 2012-07-02 21:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
rodyas wrote:
I don't need a gun, just don't hang out with idiots or tards, and don't go around pissing people off, you don't know. Guns are crutches, and a comfort blanket.



Follow these simple rules in life and you'll never have an issue. I mean it's not like criminals look for windows of opportunity or anything.

I don't need a gun either, but the Dirty Harry quote just doesn't quite work right with anything else.

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GSXRSquid
Sarum Prime Innovations
#111 - 2012-07-02 21:43:21 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
I'm glad I live in a civilised country where healthcare is seen as a right protected by law, not a "privilege." Roll

Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And I've never in my life had, nor yet needed private insurance.



what country is that homey? I bet your taxes are sky high.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#112 - 2012-07-02 22:31:15 UTC
When you tax the businesses, they raise their prices. The rest of us then pay their taxes. When you tax the rich, they raise their own salaries, which results in a rise in prices. The rest of us then pay their taxes. Listening to the conversations on the radio about how these taxes won't affect the poor and middle class is just hilarious. It's like they think businesses won't immediately respond by passing on the additional costs to the consumers.

I really wish our government would get quit finding excuses to rip more money out of the hands of the poor and middle class when they already have so much excess. Want just one example? Locally we have a City Marshal, City Police, County Constable, County Sheriff, and State Police all patrolling the roads. Each one has its own administrative staff and payroll. State-wide taxpayers probably pay millions of dollars a year just to pay for the staff to support these redundant jobs. Without taking a single officer off the street we could save a large sum of money simply by combining offices and payrolls.

Don't even get me started on just how wasteful our military is.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#113 - 2012-07-02 22:39:32 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
I'm glad I live in a civilised country where healthcare is seen as a right protected by law, not a "privilege." Roll

Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And I've never in my life had, nor yet needed private insurance.


It didn't cost you zero. You've been paying into a national health "insurance" plan since you started paying taxes. I wish people understood that.

I completely disagree on the notion of healthcare being a right. I believe that the only rights we have are those which exist until they are taken away. You have the right to free speech: you can say what you want until someone forces you to stop. When something requires the effort of another person, it can't be a right as it would compel that other person to provide it. You don't have a right to food because someone has to produce the food, and forcing them to do so violates their rights. You don't have a right to healthcare because the only way to secure that as a right is to compel doctors and nurses to provide it.

I think it's great when a society can figure out how to provide healthcare to every individual. I'd love for America to do that. We have a lot of entrenched groups and industries that have to be moved out of the way before it can be properly implemented. We need to move slowly and deliberately in that direction, not this headlong rush mandated by Obamacare.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#114 - 2012-07-03 00:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
^ Yeah if you ever look at the bill of rights you notice one thing in common. None of them cost money. They all cost 0 dollars. Healthcare costs money, food costs money. So those are not rights. Not even the europeans have enough money to cover everyone, so they are not rights. If you want a Right, make something not cost money, nothing costing money will ever be on the bill of rights. It would just look guady then.

Seems like europeans have nothing they want to buy, so paying taxes for healthcare and education make sense, but here in the states. We have alot of different things we want to buy or someday own. So paying taxes can really get in the way here. Why we hate paying for them.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#115 - 2012-07-03 00:52:47 UTC
Its actually kind of funny, one theory is that the founders were all rich white men. But they only supported things that didn't cost money. I really don't know what word describes that. Where you have money to buy anything you want, but you only buy things that don't cost money. Suppose that is why so many people are angry at the founders though.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#116 - 2012-07-03 01:11:24 UTC
GSXRSquid wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
I'm glad I live in a civilised country where healthcare is seen as a right protected by law, not a "privilege." Roll

Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And I've never in my life had, nor yet needed private insurance.



what country is that homey? I bet your taxes are sky high.


Canada.

No, they're not.

Our upper-income brackets, corporate/business taxes, and capital gains taxes are actually a fair bit lower on average (depends on the province more, though) than USA, too.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#117 - 2012-07-03 01:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
I'm glad I live in a civilised country where healthcare is seen as a right protected by law, not a "privilege." Roll

Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And I've never in my life had, nor yet needed private insurance.


It didn't cost you zero. You've been paying into a national health "insurance" plan since you started paying taxes. I wish people understood that.

I completely disagree on the notion of healthcare being a right. I believe that the only rights we have are those which exist until they are taken away. You have the right to free speech: you can say what you want until someone forces you to stop. When something requires the effort of another person, it can't be a right as it would compel that other person to provide it. You don't have a right to food because someone has to produce the food, and forcing them to do so violates their rights. You don't have a right to healthcare because the only way to secure that as a right is to compel doctors and nurses to provide it.

I think it's great when a society can figure out how to provide healthcare to every individual. I'd love for America to do that. We have a lot of entrenched groups and industries that have to be moved out of the way before it can be properly implemented. We need to move slowly and deliberately in that direction, not this headlong rush mandated by Obamacare.


I never said otherwise--but the common misconception is that we pay out the arse tax-wise for it, which simply isn't true here.

E:

I should have said "it cost me nothing at delivery/point-of-service." That's more accurate, I think.

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Mina Hiragi
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-07-03 02:50:57 UTC
rodyas wrote:
but here in the states. We have alot of different things we want to buy or someday own. So paying taxes can really get in the way here. Why we hate paying for them.


I thought we hated paying taxes because Congress has proven time and time again that it can't be trusted with a child's allowance, let alone tax revenue.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-07-03 04:24:01 UTC
Mina Hiragi wrote:
rodyas wrote:
but here in the states. We have alot of different things we want to buy or someday own. So paying taxes can really get in the way here. Why we hate paying for them.


I thought we hated paying taxes because Congress has proven time and time again that it can't be trusted with a child's allowance, let alone tax revenue.


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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#120 - 2012-07-03 05:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Like they overspend or just don't spend it on good things. i.e. only buy candy with taxpayer's money?

Most of the time when I hear fights over taxes, it usually makes me feel poor, since we can hardly afford anything(what they say).

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