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Remove local

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#21 - 2012-07-02 17:52:13 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
Why not NOT remove local, and instead, remove idle players from local? The moment they move in space, they reappear in local. You simply won't know if you're flying in to a gate camp unless you're savvy. But they won't catch small ships anyway because of the gimped lock times. Unless you fly in to a tackler in which case you deserve it. AFK cloakers can still gather intel, since you won't know they're there for certain. It's true espionage. True stealth. If they move, miners see him appear in local and can prepare themselves, adding a sense of security, and lessening the fear of afk cloakers. And if they align and keep moving to prevent idle in local, you know they're doing it to disrupt the system. Whaddya think?

Wow.

Local telling people who is in system is weird already. Having it act as a gauge to measure activity makes it even more powerful.

Just set it so we can right click and warp to people listed, save everyone time hunting.
mocrt
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-07-02 18:09:09 UTC
Entered topic expecting a logical argument for the removal of local with some new ideas we haven't heard.

...

Left disapointed.

Cry
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#23 - 2012-07-02 19:04:39 UTC
Aoyagi Haineko wrote:
The bubbles are not what I meant. What I meant is that people in nullsec favor the approach "This is hour space, we have sovereignty here, you are not blue, we hunt you down".

Only in Sov null sec. Places like syndicate people will some times still operate with a neutral in local, at least they will for exploration and missions.

Aoyagi Haineko wrote:
Why would I fit expanded probe launcher? It was you who suggested, or at least that's how that sounded. But yes, using directional scan to spot combat probes is possibly a valid tactic - for mission runners anyway. Although I did manage to pin a capsule with deep space probes, so guess it is not impossible to pin a battleship out of the dscan range. But that's just a speculation.

No, I meant keeping an eye out for combats on directional. And I've never heard of anyone scanning down ships from >14AU with deep space scanner probes, so it's probably not possible. They are less than 25% the strength of combat probes, so it *might* be possible with virtues and max skills, but the chances are you'd still accidentally get a few probes within 14AU a few times.

You also probably wouldn't be able to flash scan with deep space probes, due to the low strength.

Aoyagi Haineko wrote:
If the ship is cloaked, it can wait till I'm flying in the direction off to nowhere or when a rat scrambles me. Even if I did manage to instantly notice (between checking d-scan, probing, killing rats and trying to stay alive) an uncloaked ship and instantly started warping, which is extremely unlikely and possibly physically impossible, the cloaked ship (be it cov. ops, bomber or force recon) would have more than enough time to target me and wait for its buddies to arrive.
Site entrance is at the same time all of the site (that applies to those I do). And again - solo. Additionally, it is possible to use acceleration gates without being decloaked.

Very few rats scram in missions or exploration sites, even in the 10/10s it's generally just a few frigates that you can kill with one shot. A player would need to find the 10/10, wait inside (possibly for hours) then de-cloak at the right time, hope you don't pop them, and bring in the fleet you didn't spot that have also possibly been waiting for hours.

IIRC the 8/10 also has a few scrambling rats, but they are only in the last room. The 9/10 doesn't, but it's an un-gated escalation series and again, you'd see combat probes.

It is an unlikely scenario to the say the least, and that is coming from someone who both runs exploration sites and hunts targets in them. This is not a commonly used strategy, even in NPC null where it would probably currently work even with local.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

DODGE CITY
Keep it Hard
#24 - 2012-07-02 20:35:41 UTC
Squat King wrote:
its 2012 and we still have local? wtf is wrong with you!! just remove it.


just minimize local window and you will no longer have to look at it alot of new players rely on local to ask for mission help and if they have to join a special channel and ask for help they probably wouldnt get it when they need it due to the distance the people in that channel would have to travel.
if your worried about gankers watching for you to log in so they can blow your Hulk up my suggestion is to stay docked or ask local if there is any gankers in the system. if you get trolled after asking that means there is gankers waiting outside station for you

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#25 - 2012-07-02 20:40:38 UTC
DODGE CITY wrote:
Squat King wrote:
its 2012 and we still have local? wtf is wrong with you!! just remove it.


just minimize local window and you will no longer have to look at it alot of new players rely on local to ask for mission help and if they have to join a special channel and ask for help they probably wouldnt get it when they need it due to the distance the people in that channel would have to travel.
if your worried about gankers watching for you to log in so they can blow your Hulk up my suggestion is to stay docked or ask local if there is any gankers in the system. if you get trolled after asking that means there is gankers waiting outside station for you

I presume that even with local "removed", you would still be able to chat in local. Similar to WH local.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

DODGE CITY
Keep it Hard
#26 - 2012-07-02 20:43:45 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DODGE CITY wrote:
Squat King wrote:
its 2012 and we still have local? wtf is wrong with you!! just remove it.


just minimize local window and you will no longer have to look at it alot of new players rely on local to ask for mission help and if they have to join a special channel and ask for help they probably wouldnt get it when they need it due to the distance the people in that channel would have to travel.
if your worried about gankers watching for you to log in so they can blow your Hulk up my suggestion is to stay docked or ask local if there is any gankers in the system. if you get trolled after asking that means there is gankers waiting outside station for you

I presume that even with local "removed", you would still be able to chat in local. Similar to WH local.


threes a ideal make it so players name doesn't show up for 5 minutes or until you type something in local channel to allow players a chance to pass through a system unseen

Troll Skill Lv3 ≡√≡

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#27 - 2012-07-02 20:45:45 UTC
DODGE CITY wrote:
threes a ideal make it so players name doesn't show up for 5 minutes or until you type something in local channel to allow players a chance to pass through a system unseen

5 minute delay is pretty much the equivalent of no local, and as such broken for the same reasons.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-07-02 21:13:16 UTC
Why don't CCP have a "Wormhole Local" day and test out what it would be like? The majority of the players might even prefer it.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#29 - 2012-07-02 21:13:52 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
Why don't CCP have a "Wormhole Local" day and test out what it would be like? The majority of the players might even prefer it.

Because if it was only done for 24 hours people just wouldn't PvE for 24 hours.

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ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-07-02 21:14:18 UTC
You're assuming that. I'm suggesting a practical experiment.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#31 - 2012-07-02 21:14:58 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
You're assuming that.

Remember when local broke when inferno was released?

People stopped doing PvE for a few days.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2012-07-02 21:16:30 UTC
I don't remember that. At all.

How about leave local as-is in hi-sec, and have local like wormhole local in low to null sec?

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#33 - 2012-07-02 21:18:51 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
I don't remember that. At all.

How about leave local as-is in hi-sec, and have local like wormhole local in low to null sec?

Which is exactly the same thing that has been discussed for the last few pages P

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2012-07-02 21:19:34 UTC
Are you suggesting most of the last few pages are worth reading? I better get started so!

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#35 - 2012-07-02 21:22:37 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
Are you suggesting most of the last few pages are worth reading? I better get started so!

Oh god no.

If you have 5 minutes spare, there are much more productive things you could be doing. Like watching paint dry or **** dipping a blender.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#36 - 2012-07-02 22:03:37 UTC
Aoyagi Haineko wrote:
shooting rats


That's the root of the problem, right there. Why would anyone in their right mind ever do that? PvE in EVE is such a big joke, it hurts.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

Aoyagi Haineko
Genuinely Exquisite Entities Society
#37 - 2012-07-04 09:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aoyagi Haineko
Simi Kusoni wrote:
(snip)

Look, the point is that I (and most other people who solo in hostile nullsec) wouldn't die anyway, but it would be much more hassle and I don't really want to get out of my mind, because some sneaky wannabe spies or AFK cloak haters have some personal issues.
How about this - you wouldn't be able to see the names of the people in low/null local but you would be able to see either their signature ID (edit: actually that's for ships...) or just the immediate local pilots count. How about that?

Mechael wrote:
That's the root of the problem, right there. Why would anyone in their right mind ever do that? PvE in EVE is such a big joke, it hurts.

I have the same feeling about people who are incapable of even considering the possibility that people have different priorities and enjoy different things. Could you imagine, that someone actually enjoys mining? Didn't think so.
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