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The turning point of EVE, five years ago.

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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-07-02 10:22:28 UTC
Xython wrote:
Rellik B00n wrote:
well i didnt read any of that.

the turning point of eve was the introduction of the capital ship class.

see?

i did it in one sentence.


So you're trolling and offering nothing to the conversation? Good to know. Get out.


no you.

fake edit: also you are incorrect on both counts, please try and dock your pod in jita sometime soon so i can punish you for these actions.
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Elmanketticks
In Fidem
Outsmarted
#42 - 2012-07-02 10:29:08 UTC
Would read again! Thanks for the history lesson!

The State will not fall. Join us. Fight. Conquer.

edit: disregard that, the state has fallen.
trollerii
Evil Eye Incorporated
#43 - 2012-07-02 10:44:43 UTC
I wonder what great wars will come in the next decade of this amazing game. EVE is truly a game that can keep campaigns and events going for months or even years. The game is TOO DAMN GOOD
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#44 - 2012-07-02 11:24:00 UTC
Thoroughly enjoyable read. Thanks for the history lesson.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
terzslave
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-07-02 11:56:23 UTC
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!?!?!? Please finish............
Miles Parabellum
Core Collapse Inc
#46 - 2012-07-02 12:17:15 UTC
I have zero idea about how nullsec works, but the story was pretty cool.
I'd read again :)
Hemmo Paskiainen
#47 - 2012-07-02 12:28:31 UTC
This 'Great War' doesnt start in summer..... its starts when the summer is over.... ppl are back from their holidays, the weather has gone terrible again and when the kiddies in mom's basement are heading back to school again.....

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-07-02 12:30:59 UTC
While my friends and I spent a relatively short amount of time in Period Basis fighting the southern flank of BoB, it was the best time I ever had in this game. We failed to accomplish the removal of BoB, but ultimately in the end, BoB was vanquished.

It is funny how you think the game would only be better if you get rid of that One evil thing, then to realize it was what kept this game together for so many people. I think since BoB is gone many are lost, Goons and Co. might actually be worse for the game, and most of my long time friends have since left to other pastures.

Hard to think it is the same EVE to be honest. Sad
Watooshi Makoochji
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-07-02 12:54:31 UTC
Propaganda or not, well written and very interesting James 315!

However, your central premise, that Goons heroic resistance of BoB 'saved' the game, exemplified in the following quote

Quote:
Had the Goons retreated, or had BoB succeeded in its goal of defeating the RSF, it is no exaggeration to say that no one reading this thread would be playing EVE today. BoB's dream of total control of EVE would have been realized, but EVE would have died as a result.


is baldly speculative and quite possibly grossly exaggerative.

Certainly the history is fascinating, and I imagine that your version of it is a reasonably accurate and complete rendition. But stating in such an absolute way that "Goon's resistance" saved the day is over the top.

This sort of rhetoric tends to arouse suspicion and mistrust among the levelheaded neutrals of the universe and seems likely to provide 'ammuntion' for your detractors.

You did a good job of saving up and leaving the most outrageous hyperbole till that final paragraph. But I reckon your overall success at enthralling or beguiling your readers would've been strengthened had you simply said something like:

"By refusing to retreat, and thwarting BoB in its goal of defeating the RSF, Goons certainly contributed decisively to the shape of the EVE online world today. One might even wonder aloud, 'If BoB's dream of total control of EVE had been realized, might EVE online have died as a result?"

There you see? Now instead of making the speculative and empirically untestable _assertion_ that Goons are heroes who saved EVE from death as a game, you simply plant the question in your readers head as to whether Goons MIGHT be the hero Big smile
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#50 - 2012-07-02 12:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Also, back then, nor do do I think now that MC were pet's of BOB when everything took place. BOB was their employers in the long term and paying MC quite a nice chunk of change during it all.

At one point MC was commonly believed to have one of the largest capital fleets in the game. (Back then it was carriers and dreads) I wouldn't have been surprised if theirs even rivaled BOBs.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#51 - 2012-07-02 13:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Oh and for those of you who have never seen it....

This video is worth watching and portions of it relate to the threads topic.
Epic Video ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYEaPLCCIrY
Danfen Fenix
#52 - 2012-07-02 13:21:24 UTC
Great read, taught me quite a bit Smile

Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ? Straight
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#53 - 2012-07-02 13:25:11 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Great read, taught me quite a bit Smile

Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ? Straight


They were originally a group of new players that was tired of getting kicked around by other "established" powers. So they did something about it. :P

Things change.
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-07-02 13:31:52 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Great read, taught me quite a bit Smile

Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ? Straight


They were originally a group of new players that was tired of getting kicked around by other "established" powers. So they did something about it. :P

Things change.
and now they are the one's kicking other players down because they can

Pog mo thoin

Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
#55 - 2012-07-02 13:51:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Annabell Ood
Awesome read James .. Thanks!!!

I do hope you do a follow up article on the Death of BoB
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-07-02 15:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit
We need a historically inaccurate movie recreation of the saga of nullsec.

Like Game of Thrones but with more local spam.

Game of Drones? No... no that's dumb.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-07-02 15:21:55 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Great read, taught me quite a bit Smile

Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ? Straight


Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They went from being the courageous resistance to becoming the evil empire. They have no one to fight in null-sec so they come to empire to kick the carebears around.
Cause Effect
Cause and Effect Inc
#58 - 2012-07-02 15:40:24 UTC
Makes me sad that I only started this game back at the start of 2011

Really nice to read about the history of this game
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#59 - 2012-07-02 16:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Watooshi Makoochji wrote:
Propaganda or not, well written and very interesting James 315!

However, your central premise, that Goons heroic resistance of BoB 'saved' the game, exemplified in the following quote

Quote:
Had the Goons retreated, or had BoB succeeded in its goal of defeating the RSF, it is no exaggeration to say that no one reading this thread would be playing EVE today. BoB's dream of total control of EVE would have been realized, but EVE would have died as a result.


is baldly speculative and quite possibly grossly exaggerative.

Certainly the history is fascinating, and I imagine that your version of it is a reasonably accurate and complete rendition. But stating in such an absolute way that "Goon's resistance" saved the day is over the top.

This sort of rhetoric tends to arouse suspicion and mistrust among the levelheaded neutrals of the universe and seems likely to provide 'ammuntion' for your detractors.

You did a good job of saving up and leaving the most outrageous hyperbole till that final paragraph. But I reckon your overall success at enthralling or beguiling your readers would've been strengthened had you simply said something like:

"By refusing to retreat, and thwarting BoB in its goal of defeating the RSF, Goons certainly contributed decisively to the shape of the EVE online world today. One might even wonder aloud, 'If BoB's dream of total control of EVE had been realized, might EVE online have died as a result?"

There you see? Now instead of making the speculative and empirically untestable _assertion_ that Goons are heroes who saved EVE from death as a game, you simply plant the question in your readers head as to whether Goons MIGHT be the hero Big smile



See, the thing is BoB didn't have allies, they had pets. Basically *all* the "lol pets!" of today stems from what BoB did. You either did what BoB wanted, or they screwed you over with overwhelming numbers.

The CFC on the other hand are allies of one another, and they don't have an Owner > pet relationship, such that BoB were famous for reveling in.

By "saving EvE" James is talking about putting an end to a trend where the whole of EvE had two choices
a) Sit in highsec
b) Succumbto BoB's way of doing things.

I feel it's an accurate assessment.

An acute analogy might be to look at how Rome treated their Protectorate states, vs how a modern superpower treats an ally, for instance.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#60 - 2012-07-02 16:16:13 UTC
Great read op!

ModeratedToSilence wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
id speculate that the current war has more potential.

CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.

Exciting times


I'd speculate that Goons have the stick-ability to handle a protracted campaign on the other side of the universe. The issue to contend with will be the upcoming tech nerf.

I'm tempted to speculate that controlling Delve is more about moon income diversity than goons are willing to say, but such speculation would be futile.


Speculation? in F20 the CFC dropped a station to stage from....

Not a pos, didnt pick a nearby station, nope they build a "20 Billion Isk staging tower"

Futile because its obvious?