EVE General Discussion

I'm glad hybrids are finally getting their time to shine but while CCP is buffing stuff, they should really take a look at Beamers. I'm not talking about Large Beam Lasers, thoughs are fine but Medium and Small ones. Their PG requirements are insanely high, I mean you almost never see a it with Small or Medium Beamers.

Would be nice to have those looked at...

lasers do need a small buff. but hybrids need much more.

This why buffing or “balancing” the weapon systems does really do does not really balance or fix any thing all it does is changes trends or the “flavor of the month”.

Before projectiles got their “buffing/balancing”, beams were on top of the heap with hybrids coming in second and projectiles on the bottom. Then with much whining projectiles got “balanced” or “fixed” and now they are as they are now.

But before that a long, long, long time ago long before most of you were even nubs. Lasers use to be the weak link and after much complaining they got some CCP love along with Amarr ships.

Somewhere around that time, there was an HP buff to ships because CCP thought they were being blown up to fast. (I am looking at you Snipping Arty Tempest) and so not only did CCP give Lasers some love they knocked projectiles down to “lol, you have to use projectiles status” but was cool because we could still nano.

But peeps complained, and so CCP saw fit to “fix” or “balance” such. Still left projectiles on the bottom of the totem pole but hybrid started to show some flaws mostly because of how the Gal need to be in your face to fight.

So now we are back to a couple of years ago when the constructive complaints from the projectile users got CCPs attention enough for them to decide to “fix” them. And the resolute was a nice bump to people wanting projectiles in their fleets instead of banning them from their fleets.

But in the process hybrids were bumped to the bottom of the totem pole. So now after a couple of years of telling CCP they the hybrid users are not happy. It seems hybrids will get a “fix or “balance”.

And I predict lasers users will start to show that they are not happy. And we can start the cycle all over again. Because someone has to be on the bottom of the totem pole, and there is no such thing as really “balancing” such things. Just shuffling where you are on the totem pole.

Only laser that needs fixing is the Quad Light Beam Laser.

They rightfully would. Imho, projectiles should just be nerfed.

They have too many advantages as it is - capless, free choice of damage types, lowest fitting requirements, enormous falloff and DPS potential at their optimal, tracking on par with blasters, best effect of TEs, highest alpha when using artillery and they're typically mounted on ships that posses the advantage of dictating range, which is such a huge advantage (CCP doesn't seem to be aware of) it will always make Minmatar ships viable.

Before the buff, projectiles were fine - a primitive weapon system that made up for the disadvantage of low DPS with all the strengths mentioned above - now there's no single drawback to use them.


On a side note: I can use all subcap T2 weapon systems with maxed out support skills - never bothered with any other type of turret but projectiles since they were buffed - maybe pulses on a Zealot when the FC forced me to, but that was a long, long time ago...


So yes - OP is right - Lasers will need a buff unless projectiles get a nerf.

medium beam laser (the small one) needs a tiny nudge too. the only frigate that can fit them is the retribution and even then it's a too tight of a fit.

pulse - lower range both on pulse as and scorch (yes, both)
beam - fine

AC - lower base falloff to calc for the "new" TE/TC falloff bonuses, atm it's too good
artie - fine
minmatar - the emp/thermal/expl full damage types need a rethinking, it's too good and too much

blaster - increase dps by 5%, increase base tracking by 20%, lower fitting by 5-10%
rails - increase dps of rails by 15%, lower fitting by 5-10%
gallente- turret based ships need better agility

All pirate faction ships need a rethink, they're just too good atm. They should be GOOD but not overwhelmingly so.

No, there's a difference. If every medium short range weapon can do about 10-20km then the whole niche racial stuff is gone.

Pulses should have good range but not as silly as it is atm, ACs have too much falloff AND have way too good damage selection, that would be ok if they had much lower dps but right now they have all 3 which just shouldn't be. If you adapt pulses and ACs then blasters can stay in their niche just fine, with a bit more tracking and less fitting issues.

if you force pulse and AC boats closer in because of reduced range then Gallente's range issue becomes less of an issue, then add to that increased agility on gallente turret ships, better tracking on blasters and easier fittings meaning they can more easily fit bigger blasters while still having good tracking, effectively increasing dps and tracking on realistic fits.

And no, pulse+scorch range is NOT ok, it's too good. Just as high dps + damage type selection + huge falloff bonuses is too good on ACs. Making things easy is never the right answer, things should have limitations creating chances and niche play styles. heavy pulse + scorch should not have more than 17-18km optimal with low falloff, 425 AC with 2 TE should not have more than 20km falloff (not counting ship skills).

Pulses and ACs are highly overpowered, why is this even up for discussion? Making blasters ALSO overpowered is the wrong way to do it and only short sighted people would recommend such a thing. Bring back pulse+ac to previous levels somehat and give blasters a slight boost.

Lets make everything MOAR!

That line of thinking got us super carriers, titans, increased HP numbers on SOV related items and whatnot, I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. Balancing is more about removing unwanted/overpowered stuff than buffing "everything else".