Science & Industry

Since we are talking about the upcoming mining changes. I think that it is about time that CCP recognizes that mining ships need to be overhauled and for the most part I agree with these changes. However, what has been posted thus far, is just vague wordings that really don't tell us much about anything that is coming other than.

1) Mining ships will be getting Ore bays
2) We will finally have a Mining ship that can have the EHP of a BS
3) That each ship will have some form of "role"
4) That each ship will be brought to within some margin of the hulk.

I believe that the announcement of the mining ship that can have the EHP of a BS , is long overdue and my question for CCP would be.

When will mining receive the complete overhaul that it needs ? (With the current information that has been released it reads a band-aid fix).

1) Mining ships do not properly scale in defense-ability with the rest of ships in eve, as every mining ship until you reach the Orca can be ganked by a destroyer. Yes you can fit mining ships to "TANK" but in general by doing so you are sacrificing something, whether it be yield rate, or other ship bonuses. For almost every combat ship you can max it's survivability without sacrificing it's designed functionality.

2) Non interactivity and "AFK Mining" ... How do you determine an AFK Miner from a Non AFK Miner. An AFK Miner is someone that doesn't instantly panic and warp out of a belt when a Unknown Ship warps into the same belt. (Talking high sec, Null sec flys by a different set of rules) , this is because our mining cycles take so long to process, that even though we may be there, we look like we are AFK.

3) As others have commented when will we get either a Sub-Capital (orca class) or Capital(rorq class) mining ship that is actually capable of Mining, instead of Squad boosting. The Orca and Rorq both have their roles, and do a great job at it, but as soon as you reach the hulk, your only option is to train to be a fleet booster.

Game needs a non-jumpengine freighter with 300-350km3 cargobays.

The industrials, including the transports, are too small for moving anything but modules and ammo.

The orca can be used, but it's still only 100km3.

And next one up is freighters with 900km3.... kinda hate flying halffull freighters, which is what I end up doing alot since 300-350km3 is the shipment size I move the most.

correct me if i'm mistaken, but you can't compress ore in high sec. so it's totally irrelevant how much compressed ore an orca can haul.

it's not my plight.

i was just pointing out that if you're using an orca then you're probably in high sec.
or if you can compress it means you have a rorqual, which has more space so you won't be using the orca anyway.

impel, nearly triple the cargo for just a week or two's training and won't really break the bank in terms of isk.

Aye, the first part was my pointing out the basis for the panicky rumor that hulks might actually end up with less tank. But right now Hulks do not get one shot by anything that remotely sneezes on them, so its possible they will continue with about as much tank as now. We just do not know.