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Frigates for level 3 missions?
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Deklan Conner
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-28 20:04:01 UTC
Hello, I'm new to eve (3mil sp) and have been scratching my head on alot of ship load-outs. I am currently running a myrmidon drone boat, but am getting a little bored. Im just wondering if anyone can offer some advice on any frigates for level 3 mission running. Idk if its even viable, just curious. Thx in advance for all feedback
Bill Serkoff2
Tachyon Technology
#2 - 2012-06-28 20:12:55 UTC
The Jaguar and Vengeance have enough tank to run level 3 missions. I'd suggest a HAC or something, though.

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Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#3 - 2012-06-28 20:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryelek d'Entari
T1 frigate for L3 combat missions? No way. I'm sure someone's done it, but it would take very high skills and a lot of patience. You'd struggle to break the tank of most battlecruisers that spawn in L3 missions. You could do them in a fleet of 2-3 T1 frigates (just speed tank everything) but that's highly sub-optimal from a reward/effort perspective, and won't really be any more exciting than what you're doing now. But it might be more fun to do it socially.

Some people do run L3 combat missions in an Assault Ship (T2 frigate class vessel) like the post above suggests. Again, you need pretty good skills to pull that off. If you're running missions in a Myrmidon I presume you're doing it in either Gallente or Caldari space, in which case an Enyo or Ishkur would be a more appropriate choice than the Jaguar or Vengeance. In any case you need to skill up the requisite weapons (and drones in the case of the Ishkur) to Tech 2 in order to justify flying AF's.
Deklan Conner
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-28 20:49:44 UTC
Im actually running in amarr space so a friend can do his exporer junk without tipping over a bunch of ppl. as for the tech 2 drones i'll have them in about a day. thx for the input guys. i think i'll just be more patient and work the ladder safer lol
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-28 20:52:12 UTC
I've never done L3's in a frigate hull, but I'd be curious how something like a Wolf or Hookbill would fare. I'm sure if would be slow as sin, but still curious to try it. Wonder if the trade-off in DPS for tank would be worth it, really...
Deklan Conner
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-28 21:20:30 UTC
i have a friend using a jaguar that comes with. he is great speed tanking but leaves the cruisers and bigger to me. so i guess it would just depend on the mission
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#7 - 2012-06-28 21:59:11 UTC
Ishkur can do it without too much trouble (a lot of time investment, but not much trouble as such) so I would generally imagine that the other AFs can do it too. Nothing special about the Ishkur DPS-wise.

Though you're going to have to deal with controlling your transversal against multiple ships with something that relies on close-in lasers or projectiles, will probably get a bit dicier than just maxing your drone control range and staying far away from things that wanna kill ya.

And, yes, again, after the first few times you do this it's gonna get kind of monotonous taking two hours to finish a L3.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2012-06-29 01:39:50 UTC
It can be done even with T1 frigates but as said above it is far more inefficient than a battlecruiser
Boomhaur
#9 - 2012-06-29 01:45:49 UTC
Can be done, but I'd rather just do it in a T2 assault frig, it be more effecient that way while still being fun. A t1 frig will be more time consuming and require a lot more careful flying. I've done it in a Jaguar before thinking they were lv2 missions, took me longer than I care to mention on the forums for me to realize they were actually lv3's. At the time I was just grinding up standings.

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drdxie
#10 - 2012-06-29 02:47:28 UTC
i Have used Hookbil with standard launchers(not sure what they called now), Vengence, Retribution and a Hawk to mess with in lvl3's. Some missions get a bit hairy, but if you can rid yourself of the webby frigs and keep moving it can be done. I also tried the Dramiel, but I kept overshooting the targets and getting out of optimal, bad pilot not ship tbh Lol
I preferred the hookbil as you can keep some range with the longer range launchers.

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Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-29 07:06:29 UTC
An AF can run an L3 without too much trouble provided you know how to fly a speed tank. They can run L4's as well for a lark, but its certainly not effecient time wise.
Sofa Raddis
Gravity Waste Management
#12 - 2012-06-29 08:47:03 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
I've never done L3's in a frigate hull, but I'd be curious how something like a Wolf or Hookbill would fare. I'm sure if would be slow as sin, but still curious to try it. Wonder if the trade-off in DPS for tank would be worth it, really...


My AF and small turrets skill where alot higher then the mediums when I started 3's so I did them in both a jag and later a MSE fit wolf, it did fine, wolf could fit some impressive damage and range with lows not used to tank, need to be mindful though.

Some 4's too, even the ones with stasis towers (mwd+nuke it, then warp out, reengage). But too slow to be of any other reason then amusement.
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#13 - 2012-06-29 09:10:36 UTC
I used to fly lvl 3 missions in a hawk. Did quite a few of them and pretty much all without much trouble. I already had fairly good skills though and got a relatively expensive shield booster (though I dont think this is strictly necescary).

Also this was before the AF changes, but they should only have gotten better since then. But basically fly (assault) frigs for lvl3 missions for fun or practice, not for efficiency or ISK.

A set up could look something like this

[Hawk, Hawk]
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Small Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II

Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket
Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu

Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#14 - 2012-06-29 13:11:17 UTC
Deklan Conner wrote:
Hello, I'm new to eve (3mil sp) and have been scratching my head on alot of ship load-outs. I am currently running a myrmidon drone boat, but am getting a little bored. Im just wondering if anyone can offer some advice on any frigates for level 3 mission running. Idk if its even viable, just curious. Thx in advance for all feedback


I very much doubt any one Tech 1 frigate can complete most level 3 missions, or at least the harder ones, but for years I've had crazy fantasies about leading a fleet of small ships, ideally T1 frigates, into level 4 misskions. It'd have to be a large number of frigates, close to a dozen, and with all the pilots with max skillz. And that may be flat out impossible in the end. I haven't tried.

I might try to fly a level 3 mission in a T2 frigate once, just for the lulz, but I haven't done so yet. I imagine I might survive, but might not be able to complete the mission. As for T1, solo? I wouldn't try.
Ytamii Arval
#15 - 2012-06-29 17:51:12 UTC
Used to run some L3's in a Firetail (tanking with speed/faction resists). Fun, and not crazy difficult, but the low DPS makes it very time consuming: yep, slow as sin. Much more sensible for L2's.

If using a BC is too "set it and forget it", try something like I'm doing now: Rupture (sniper fit with 4x720mm, signal amp, and long-range drones), or other good cruiser. It can't handle all of them, but most. Enough challenge to be fun.
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-30 11:51:23 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I very much doubt any one Tech 1 frigate can complete most level 3 missions, or at least the harder ones, but for years I've had crazy fantasies about leading a fleet of small ships, ideally T1 frigates, into level 4 misskions. It'd have to be a large number of frigates, close to a dozen, and with all the pilots with max skillz. And that may be flat out impossible in the end. I haven't tried.


Its certainly possible in T2. AF/SB duo is a blast in an L4. AF to grab the aggro and speed tank. Then the AF starts on the frigs and moves up while the SB starts on the BS's and moves down.

Meet in the middle. High five.
Songbird
#17 - 2012-06-30 20:17:33 UTC
the frigs with 5 small drones will probably be best - ishkur or worm, also ones that can mount missile launchers - tanking would have to be a combination of speed + active tanking. Soon (tm) the gallente navitas will be turned into a drone boat so that will be able do it too eventually