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Do the miner bump...

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-06-29 12:27:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…I seem to recall that there are a number of ways to call up a list of nearby asteroids


If you mean survey scanner...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1403339#post1403339
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#122 - 2012-06-29 12:28:04 UTC
The best counter argument to bumping I've read in this thread was to add the concept of proportion to it. Mass of bumping ship vs. mass of ship being bumped.

When a fly hits your windshield, which happens?

A) The fly goes splat
B) Your car gets knocked off the road
C) Both the fly and the car explode in a ball of fire!!

The answer to this common sense question is obvious. A frigate should go splat when it hits a ship thousands of times its own mass.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#123 - 2012-06-29 12:30:34 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Any kind of scanner, really…

There are ships that provide bonuses to survey scanners so there's very little reason for you to carry it yourself.
Pipa Porto
#124 - 2012-06-29 12:30:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
That's what the brackets are for.


That would mean I have "spin" my ship in space ever 2 seconds to see if there's someone else on same belt. And it wouldn't help with cloaky ships.


The Brackets are for the Asteroids. Wow, are you dense.

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Pipa Porto
#125 - 2012-06-29 12:32:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…I seem to recall that there are a number of ways to call up a list of nearby asteroids


If you mean survey scanner...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1403339#post1403339


That's if your strategy is to tank ganks. If your strategy is to avoid ganks, you just need 3 Webs; you can put a survey scanner in the last mid slot.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-06-29 12:39:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
There are ships that provide bonuses to survey scanners so there's very little reason for you to carry it yourself.


How can Orca pilot target asteroids for Hulk pilot?
How survey scanner on Orca will help Hulk pilot when distances scanner tells you are from asteroid to Orca, not from asteroid to Hulk? Especially when Orca is 40km from Hulk.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#127 - 2012-06-29 12:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How can Orca pilot target asteroids for Hulk pilot?
How survey scanner on Orca will help Hulk pilot when distances scanner tells you are from asteroid to Orca, not from asteroid to Hulk? Especially when Orca is 40km from Hulk.

That depends on which portion of the information you want to put in the overview and which portion goes into brackets.


Come to think of it, I have to ask: have you ever mined anything?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-06-29 12:48:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Come to think of it, I have to ask: have you ever mined anything?


Pretty much everything from veldspar to arkonor and ice. Haven't mined mercoxit yet.
Pipa Porto
#129 - 2012-06-29 12:49:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
There are ships that provide bonuses to survey scanners so there's very little reason for you to carry it yourself.


How can Orca pilot target asteroids for Hulk pilot?
How survey scanner on Orca will help Hulk pilot when distances scanner tells you are from asteroid to Orca, not from asteroid to Hulk? Especially when Orca is 40km from Hulk.


You're in a fleet.

Fleet commanders can broadcast things... like targets.

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-RubyPorto

Pipa Porto
#130 - 2012-06-29 12:54:00 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
There are ships that provide bonuses to survey scanners so there's very little reason for you to carry it yourself.


How can Orca pilot target asteroids for Hulk pilot?
How survey scanner on Orca will help Hulk pilot when distances scanner tells you are from asteroid to Orca, not from asteroid to Hulk? Especially when Orca is 40km from Hulk.


Why is the Orca 40km away when the Hulk isn't moving more than 7m/s?

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-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-06-29 12:56:27 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Why is the Orca 40km away when the Hulk isn't moving more than 7m/s?


"250% bonus to tractor beam range"

Tell me one good reason why I should ignore that.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#132 - 2012-06-29 13:02:39 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Why is the Orca 40km away when the Hulk isn't moving more than 7m/s?


"250% bonus to tractor beam range"

Tell me one good reason why I should ignore that.


So, you park 40km away, just because you can?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-06-29 13:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Andoria Thara wrote:
So, you park 40km away, just because you can?


And minimize possible losses to smartbomb gank. If barges are in tight group they are easy target for gankers.

Actually, Orca was originally designed for nullsec mining ops. There asteroid belts are huge (~200 km) so it would be stupid to have all barges in one group.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#134 - 2012-06-29 13:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andoria Thara
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andoria Thara wrote:
So, you park 40km away, just because you can?


And minimize possible losses to smartbomb gank. If barges are in tight group they are easy target for gankers.

Actually, Orca was originally designed for nullsec mining ops. There asteroid belts are huge (~200 km) so it would be stupid to have all barges in one group.


I was talking about the distance between the Orca and one Hulk, not a group of hulks.

With the Orca bonuses to the survey scanner range, you can scan the entire belt and then broadcast targets to your hulk pilots.
Blobber NL
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-06-29 13:19:34 UTC
Bluddwolf wrote:
The best counter argument to bumping I've read in this thread was to add the concept of proportion to it. Mass of bumping ship vs. mass of ship being bumped.

When a fly hits your windshield, which happens?

A) The fly goes splat
B) Your car gets knocked off the road
C) Both the fly and the car explode in a ball of fire!!

The answer to this common sense question is obvious. A frigate should go splat when it hits a ship thousands of times its own mass.


Last time that happened to me my car was knocked of the road:(
Armtoe
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#136 - 2012-06-29 13:23:27 UTC
Minmatar Freedom wrote:
Cpt Roghie wrote:
Uhm... I fail to see the point. Are you moaning about bumping being OP, do you want it nerfed... Are you simply stating a point? I'm lost.


I'm stating a point.

The argument that "if miners just protected themselves, they wouldn't get shot" is irrelevant because there's no way to protect yourself once bumping gets involved.


lol kill

Cause there is no way for miners to protect themselves Roll
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-06-29 13:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Andoria Thara wrote:
I was talking about the distance between the Orca and one Hulk, not a group of hulks.

With the Orca bonuses to the survey scanner range, you can scan the entire belt and then broadcast targets to your hulk pilots.


How do you see distance from asteroid to Hulk from survey scanner?

Armtoe wrote:
lol kill

Cause there is no way for miners to protect themselves Roll


Manual post.
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#138 - 2012-06-29 13:28:51 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
A Hulk simply cannot be made gank proof.

The gankers can just bring one more ship to the party. In fact, one could argue that a well fit Hulk could just make them more determined to gank said Hulk.

There is nothing wrong with ganking Hulks. What is foolish is to pretend that it is the fault of the miner for not fitting his ship correctly.


of course it can't be made "gank proof"

like anything in this game, if somebody wants to kill you and is equipped to do so, they will

the purpose behind fitting a tank on your hulk isn't to make it "gank-proof" but to make yourself a much less worthwhile target

Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


wow, 37k EHP against blasters, requires ~4 catalysts to kill in 0.5 and still mines more m3/minute than any other barge or exhumer in the game, even with a max-yield setup (unless it's a max-skilled Covetor with t2 mining drones at drone interfacing V, but 'heh')

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-06-29 13:32:16 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field


25M faction mod in paper tanked Hulk...
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#140 - 2012-06-29 13:32:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andoria Thara wrote:
I was talking about the distance between the Orca and one Hulk, not a group of hulks.

With the Orca bonuses to the survey scanner range, you can scan the entire belt and then broadcast targets to your hulk pilots.


How do you see distance from asteroid to Hulk from survey scanner?



My Orca is usually parked within 2500m so I can dump ore into the corp hangar...