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Pipa Porto
#61 - 2012-06-29 00:33:02 UTC
15th Century Portrait wrote:
Tippia wrote:
15th Century Portrait wrote:
the goal doesn't appear to be pinning and then ganking.
You should probably re-read the OP.

I'm sorry. I took the time to read a few posts down. Then I did my research.

Pipa Porto wrote:
15th Century Portrait wrote:
the goal doesn't appear to be pinning and then ganking. bumping alone is being used to move miners out of range of their target asteroid/ice. once the bumping begins, there's no way to get around it. if you warp away, you can't mine. if you warp back, you'll be bumped off your target again.


You can also move to somewhere without a bumper or pay them off. If they can't be paid off and aren't trying to gank you, it could be considered griefing.

(Oh, and they don't have to stop bumping you just because you paid them. After all, if you paid once, there's a good chance you'll pay again. Pirate)

we'd be having a very different conversation if bumping were treated as what it is in this instance -- a weapon. its the only weapon in eve that doesn't get you flagged.


Really? The only weapon?

I could write a song, but I'm bad at rhyming.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-06-29 00:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
The Bumping mechanic made sense with the limitations of 2003 computers, in 2012 CCP can do better.


What? Huh?


Guess I need to spell it out ... ships should collide and cause damage to each other. Not bounce off like rubber balls.

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15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-06-29 00:40:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Really? The only weapon?

I could write a song, but I'm bad at rhyming.

please elaborate. or did you mean rhyming is a weapon? the Beasties did some pretty incredible things with rap, but I'm not sure they weaponized it.
Pipa Porto
#64 - 2012-06-29 00:50:15 UTC
15th Century Portrait wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Really? The only weapon?

I could write a song, but I'm bad at rhyming.

please elaborate. or did you mean rhyming is a weapon? the Beasties did some pretty incredible things with rap, but I'm not sure they weaponized it.


Do you get flagged for using the market to hurt your opponents?

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Pipa Porto
#65 - 2012-06-29 00:51:09 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
The Bumping mechanic made sense with the limitations of 2003 computers, in 2012 CCP can do better.


What? Huh?


Guess I need to spell it out ... ships should collide and cause damage to each other. Not bounce off like rubber balls.


Ok, so either I can Bump-Gank people without getting CONCORDed, or CONCORD's gonna camp us into Jita 4-4.

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Captain TNT
Alt Union Club
#66 - 2012-06-29 00:53:19 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
"Bumping" should cause massive hull and armor damage proportional to the mass of the ships involved. The whole bump mechanic makes ships feel like plastic kiddie toys.


+1
Boober Fraggle
#67 - 2012-06-29 00:53:58 UTC
Minmatar Freedom wrote:
Cpt Roghie wrote:
Uhm... I fail to see the point. Are you moaning about bumping being OP, do you want it nerfed... Are you simply stating a point? I'm lost.


I'm stating a point.

The argument that "if miners just protected themselves, they wouldn't get shot" is irrelevant because there's no way to protect yourself once bumping gets involved.


I find a neutral stealth bomber alt works just fine. No need to bump. Then you get to salvage the epic salvage. You also need someone to bump the concord response time if you want it to be high(er), so its generally a 2-3 man job.
15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-06-29 00:55:29 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
15th Century Portrait wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Really? The only weapon?

I could write a song, but I'm bad at rhyming.

please elaborate. or did you mean rhyming is a weapon? the Beasties did some pretty incredible things with rap, but I'm not sure they weaponized it.


Do you get flagged for using the market to hurt your opponents?

violent eye roll
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#69 - 2012-06-29 01:02:11 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:

Is it doable? Yes.


Numbers, please?

Not that I doubt you personally, but there are lots of things claimed as universal truths around here that really reflect only the most narrow of circumstances.



I mined hundreds of millions isk worth of veldy, scordy, and plagio during hulkaggedon, and didn't lose any ships. I collected ganker tears.

However, I am not saying it is fool proof or will always work. I am saying it is doable. And thus is the crux of the matter: are you playing a game in which your input matters, or are you passively observing the pretty internet spaceships?
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Pipa Porto
#70 - 2012-06-29 01:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
15th Century Portrait wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
15th Century Portrait wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Really? The only weapon?

I could write a song, but I'm bad at rhyming.

please elaborate. or did you mean rhyming is a weapon? the Beasties did some pretty incredible things with rap, but I'm not sure they weaponized it.


Do you get flagged for using the market to hurt your opponents?

violent eye roll


You can also counterbump the bumper. Or move to another belt, or system, or etc. etc. etc.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#71 - 2012-06-29 01:04:52 UTC
Poastin' in carebear cry thread #136,444,678,896,567,889,009.

Far from "FIRST!!11" but I still think that merits a cookie?

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#72 - 2012-06-29 01:12:24 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Yes they can - most ganking is done for fun, any profit is just a bonus.



That is simply a myth. No one can really afford to gank for fun.

There are several limits:

1) It is too expensive in terms of isk (even a ganking cat will run you 10s of millions to max alpha).

2) It affects massively the security rating, specially if you pod kill - hence, you have to grind for days before you can gank again, that is not fun.

3) Griefing is illegal in EULA, and CCP does pursue it. If someone becomes a notorious ganker for fun, he or she will be reported (the locals know the locals) and get banned for griefing.

Lowsec killing is not ganking, btw. That is indeed done for fun, as part of the profession of being a pirate.

There is a false assumption on the part of people who have gotten ganked that gankers are bad people or that they are somehow "cheating" or have some advantage or something. They are not - they have to get their ISK just like everyone else. They get their isk from ganking.

And aside from Hulkageddon, whose basis is profit extraction via market manipulation and hence can afford to pay off the losses, ganking miners is not profitable unless there is ore involved.

No one ganks an empty hulk next to an empty can.
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#73 - 2012-06-29 01:14:59 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


Ok, so either I can Bump-Gank people without getting CONCORDed, or CONCORD's gonna camp us into Jita 4-4.


Yeah people say the darnest things. Thank you for doing your part to raise the thinking coeficient here... obviously you need to think more, as apparently no one else is using their brains...Roll
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Pipa Porto
#74 - 2012-06-29 01:20:59 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Ok, so either I can Bump-Gank people without getting CONCORDed, or CONCORD's gonna camp us into Jita 4-4.


Yeah people say the darnest things. Thank you for doing your part to raise the thinking coeficient here... obviously you need to think more, as apparently no one else is using their brains...Roll


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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#75 - 2012-06-29 01:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: James 315
So less than 48 hours after my miner bumping business goes live, we already have our first "NERF BUMPING" thread?

Such efficiency Lol

EDIT:

Grab some shares while there's still some left. Cool

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Pipa Porto
#76 - 2012-06-29 01:52:43 UTC
James 315 wrote:
So less than 48 hours after my miner bumping business goes live, we already have our first "NERF BUMPING" thread?

Such efficiency Lol

EDIT:

Grab some shares while there's still some left. Cool


While I support your noble cause, I can't abide by stock dilution.

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Ituhata
Killboard Padding Services
#77 - 2012-06-29 02:17:58 UTC
I see the advice to make several bookmarks around your asteroid and simply mine in a relative circle around your asteroid, always being aligned to one of your bookmarks, was apparently overlooked, as it pretty much ends the thread. Even a cloaked ship uncloaking (about 2500 meters) to bump you wont have enough inertia to to stop you from warping out in time.
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#78 - 2012-06-29 02:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Breezly Brewin
[Covetor, I got 15 more] 30m isk

High - 13m isk
3x Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium - worthless
1x Survey Scanner

Low - 3m isk
1x Expanded Cargohold II
1x Mining Laser Upgrade II

Rigs - 13m isk
2x Medium Cargohold Optimization
1x Medium Processor Overclocking Unit

60m isk this ship and fitting costs - screw all this alligning and d-scanning nonsense. mine a quiet area and you'll rarely even see gankers in the first place.

fit hulk costs upwards of 300m so yeah i have no sympathy for dumb miners.

edit: the same fit works for ice mining too, swap out the obvious mining for ice harvest mods. the loss is 3 cubes per cycle instead of 4, with about the same cycle time. considering i ice mine 2 toons while i mission, wh, exploration on the 3rd (not having to worry about two macks out) the peace of mind pays for itself.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#79 - 2012-06-29 02:42:49 UTC
Again, mining aligned solves the problem 99%.

You can warp out before the frigate that would be used for such could even begin to move to you. And if its cloaked (like a cov ops) it will have a hard time bumping you sufficiently so that a ganker could warp in and do his thing before you would be able to warp off.


Yes you will likely waste a little time on false alarms, but moving to a low population system woudl help with that.
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-06-29 05:34:55 UTC
Wouldn't a buddy in an interceptor be able to, well, bump the bumper off course before the Hulk got bumped?

Seems like that would actually be fun... If I were the interceptor pilot, I'd be hoping someone tried to bump the Hulk.

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