EVE General Discussion

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/25/eve-online-devs-on-dayz-elder-scrolls-online-and-whatd-make-them-quit-the-games-industry/

Sorry guys, I don't know how to do the spiffy linky thing to say something else.
Anyways,

Not "specifically" about EVE, but about EVE at the same time. Matt Firor, the guy making the abomination that will be The Elder Scrolls Online, made a comment about innovation in MMO's that boiled down to it's all been done before so there really isn't much room to do anymore innovation.

Mr. Touborg and Mr. Landers did a very fine job of pointing out just how wrong the man was.

It's little things like this that are the reason I'm happy to give CCP my money. Thank you for not being lemmings.

Yell yeah, 10/10 for that.

If you like eve on fb ypu could have read days ago...

I did, but I rarely ever look at facebook. Something about it makes me want to vomit uncontrollably. It may be all the pictures of peoples food, photos of their ugly ass kids, or their bitching about whatever's bothering them on any given day.

And not everyone has facebook. God knows I wish I didn't, and am ashamed that I do.

Yes he was. He was also one of the developers for most of all the expansiions that most people didn't like. You know, the stuff that would fit perfectly with, I don't know, world of warcraft. Nor did I ever play a ES game and think to myself, wow DAoC was great.

His comment about innovation is pretty reflective of why his second game looks very much like his first one, as well as like every other "typical" MMO available today.

Thank god for studios like CCP, who would rather make thier game and not someone elses.

I bet Zenimax really are panicking about the millions upon millions they've invested into this game.. just for it to be completely steamrolled by critics and widely rejected WAY before release. Seems they've decided to enter the cookie-cutter MMO market too late.

Shame, they could have attempted to do something innovative - first person combat was the most obvious one, as well as having no classes. Silly greed, hopefully this will mark the death of "WoW-clones".

The way I understood was, he was saying that shooters are pretty unimaginative lately, but then you get shooters like Team fortress and planetside.

I didn't see it a him saying it was unimaginative, but the other way around.

But it'll be really accesable to the millions of people who played Oblivion and Skyrim on a console because it'll have the same races, lore, and minimal UI. The aren't trying to make a great Elder scrolls game, or even a great Elder Scrolls MMO, they're trying to make a great game.

I'm honestly suprised there hasn't been more backlash from the media considering the numerous things this guy has said in the last month.

EVE, arguably the hardest MMO on the market, yet it continues to attract people to it. Matt Firor on the other hand thinks that gamers are so stupid that if an MMO played like skyrim, a game that millions of people have already played, that we would literally "not understand" how to play it; which was his excuse for deciding to make it play just like a "typical" mmo.

Kris is absolutely right. As long as peple keep buying into these new MMO's then most of the money that gets sunk into mmo development will keep going to making the same basic game that attracts lots of box sales, but has next to no retention a few months down the road.

I hope WoD is a success, obviously, but more so that maybe some big budget studios will see it and realize that people do in fact like to play more open ended MMO's, with a focus on world building and community, and less on gaining the next level so that you can use that +4 item.

When I saw this I was proud to say that I give CCP my money. TES appears to be nothing more than another shallow cash grab made to appeal to the lowest denominator. They deserve to fail like SWTOR. Reward innovation, evolution, and bravery with your sub, not cash grab theme park trash.

To be fair SOE would still be up there was it not for the SWG debacle. But I think much of the blame in the horrific 'revamp' can be atributed directly to LA as they owned the IP on the game and I think they just got greedy after looking a sub numbers for games like WoW and simply tried to clone it. A lot of the original SWG design was rell out there in the ways of innovation especially the skill / career paths that were about as sandboxy as you could get for a linear levelling mechanism. The ablity to really customise your skills to make the character you wanted was second to none (bar EVE)

I think had LA left SOE alone SWG would still be around today, likely with maybe 2 - 3k players per server,but that could easily have been consolidated into a few large servers. EVE is successfull but only has 40K ish players online, so massive subscription numbers are not necessarilly a sign of success.