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Carebear Protip: Hisec Mining missions more ISK/Hr than Hisec mining

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#1 - 2012-06-27 16:02:08 UTC
Even considering the investment on extra social skill books.

This is how:

1) Negotiation IV

2) Mining Connections IV

3) Drones to levels that can take on mission rats

4) Level IV missions

Skip the gas missions unless you have the skills anf fittings (but why would you, you a carebear).

As a bonus, less chance of ganking, as you are not in a belt and it is rare for gankers out of hulkaggedon to bother probing you.

This is true even with orca support and mining gangs, so perfect for small corps. Just make sure to have haulers for the mined ores to speed up turning the mission in and increase the isk/hour.

In some regions Veldy might still make marginally more, specially in gang/orca support situations, but its about preference.

The only reason for carebears to mine real ores is if they have high industrialism levels (all the refinings to V and the specialized to III/IV plus standings), high trade levels (accounting and broker relations V, plus trade hub corp standings that are sky high) and actually manufacture. If you do not have a logistics line to feed, don't mine real ores: you are losing millions of isk a month.

The fundamental reason is that LP is worth isk, and mining missions can be done relatively fast. 10 hours a week can gross 15-20 million an hour with low skills with the storylines. Try to make that in trit or veldy.

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Dave Stark
#2 - 2012-06-27 16:03:43 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Even considering the investment on extra social skill books.

This is how:

1) Negotiation IV

2) Mining Connections IV

3) Drones to levels that can take on mission rats

4) Level IV missions

Skip the gas missions unless you have the skills anf fittings (but why would you, you a carebear).

As a bonus, less chance of ganking, as you are not in a belt and it is rare for gankers out of hulkaggedon to bother probing you.

This is true even with orca support and mining gangs, so perfect for small corps. Just make sure to have haulers for the mined ores to speed up turning the mission in and increase the isk/hour.

In some regions Veldy might still make marginally more, specially in gang/orca support situations, but its about preference.

The only reason for carebears to mine real ores is if they have high industrialism levels (all the refinings to V and the specialized to III/IV plus standings), high trade levels (accounting and broker relations V, plus trade hub corp standings that are sky high) and actually manufacture. If you do not have a logistics line to feed, don't mine real ores: you are losing millions of isk a month.

The fundamental reason is that LP is worth isk, and mining missions can be done relatively fast. 10 hours a week can gross 15-20 million an hour with low skills with the storylines. Try to make that in trit or veldy.

Donations accepted :)


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i do 3 jet cans an hour.
~18m an hour.

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Price Check Aisle3
#3 - 2012-06-27 16:07:12 UTC
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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#4 - 2012-06-27 16:15:01 UTC
Mining missions are much faster if you got an alt boosting your laser range. Many mining missions dump you out of range of the roids unless you got that range boost.

But as I do have all the industry stuff mentioned by the OP, I mine for ore.

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Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-27 16:23:19 UTC
I'm a carebear, and I approve this message!

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#6 - 2012-06-27 16:32:41 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
i do 3 jet cans an hour.
~18m an hour.

good day.


Depending on your levels, you are losing between 5 and 10 million isk an hour. Even more if you alt-fleet with high leaderhip bonus and an orca (even without the mining mindlink etc).

good day to you too.
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#7 - 2012-06-27 16:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Dave stark wrote:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
i do 3 jet cans an hour.
~18m an hour.
good day.


Scordite as profitable as bistot?! Holy hulkageddon batman! Those null-bear miners must be really pissed off now with their hi-sec counterparts earning the same without all the "joys" of null-sec.
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#8 - 2012-06-27 16:38:10 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
i do 3 jet cans an hour.
~18m an hour.
good day.


Scordite as profitable as bistot?! Holy hulkageddon batman! Those null-bears must be really pissed off now with their hi-sec counterparts earning the same without all the "joys" of null-sec.


Except most bistot is turned to minerals right away in POS. You do not understand that market price is not the sole determinant of the value of an ore.

The reason bistot is so close to scordy is because the demand for them matches the offer more or less.

Anyways, Tritanium and hence veldy is king, always been king, and will be king for ever, and it can only be had in empire.

Nullsec is about moongoo, not ores.
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Price Check Aisle3
#9 - 2012-06-27 16:39:51 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Anyways, Tritanium and hence veldy is king, always been king, and will be king for ever, and it can only be had in empire.

What? Corp mate was mining Veld at a grav site in our wormhole the other night, is that some sort of 'sploit?
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#10 - 2012-06-27 16:41:17 UTC
I'm a miner and refiner of real ores who benefits from higher mineral prices and I approve this message.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Boober Fraggle
#11 - 2012-06-27 16:47:34 UTC
Telling someone that makes enough ISK to buy everything they need and have fun is pretty lame. Smart industrialists need not mine any ore to make money, and smart miners need not run production lines.

The mission ores don't give the 5% & 10% bonus either, so right there you start losing money.

You should be looking out for gankers no matter where you are mining.

Pyramid Scheme
Carebear Productions
#12 - 2012-06-27 16:52:50 UTC
15~20m an hour sounds really ******* bad actually.

i don't see how anybody could mine for such a small amount for a full hour w/o being afk.
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#13 - 2012-06-27 17:10:20 UTC
Pyramid Scheme wrote:
15~20m an hour sounds really ******* bad actually.

i don't see how anybody could mine for such a small amount for a full hour w/o being afk.


I said with low skills. You might not remember it, but there was I time you mined at 3 million isk/hour.

If you already mine 15-20 million isk an hour, missions would add 5-10 to that minimum, depends on the agent and the passion you put into it. And of course, this over a month. You might get some harder missions or missions five or 6 jumps away and it takes longer. But when you look back, at 10 hours a week, you will have a plex, with low level skils.

Which is the point.
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fido gotran over
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-06-27 18:10:54 UTC
LVL 4 Highsec mining missions are complete garbage

To even do them in a decent time you need a couple hulks and an orca

On top of that you get crap pay

Then you spend half your time warping around and flying between the warp in and roids

Then you have to have combat ships ready to do the lvl 4 storylines.

If you can do the lvl 4 combat missions then you are better off doing them ..

If you want to to mine then go mine real ore not some fake crap that you get no isk/ m3

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Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#15 - 2012-06-27 18:16:47 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
i do 3 jet cans an hour.
~18m an hour.
good day.


Scordite as profitable as bistot?! Holy hulkageddon batman! Those null-bear miners must be really pissed off now with their hi-sec counterparts earning the same without all the "joys" of null-sec.


null-sec mining is safer than hisec mining

lawl
Boober Fraggle
#16 - 2012-06-27 18:18:46 UTC
fido gotran over wrote:
LVL 4 Highsec mining missions are complete garbage

To even do them in a decent time you need a couple hulks and an orca

On top of that you get crap pay

Then you spend half your time warping around and flying between the warp in and roids

Then you have to have combat ships ready to do the lvl 4 storylines.

If you can do the lvl 4 combat missions then you are better off doing them ..

If you want to to mine then go mine real ore not some fake crap that you get no isk/ m3



I can see you never tried it, and if you did you had poor logistics. The Orca has an 80k range tractor. Just saying.
Dave Stark
#17 - 2012-06-27 18:21:19 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
i do 3 jet cans an hour.
~18m an hour.

good day.


Depending on your levels, you are losing between 5 and 10 million isk an hour. Even more if you alt-fleet with high leaderhip bonus and an orca (even without the mining mindlink etc).

good day to you too.


uh, what? 18m an hour is a solo mining. it only goes up with orca bonuses.
Pyramid Scheme
Carebear Productions
#18 - 2012-06-27 18:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pyramid Scheme
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
10 hours a week


10 hours a week of an activity dull as rocks. literally in this case.

starting to sound like my old job in highschool.

Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Which is the point.


i thought the point was to, like, you know; "have fun"
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#19 - 2012-06-27 18:42:45 UTC
What's a mine?



(and no, I am not an Italian plumber going into the dry cleaners enquiring as to which freshly-laundered package is his)

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#20 - 2012-06-27 19:13:33 UTC
Boober Fraggle wrote:


I can see you never tried it, and if you did you had poor logistics. The Orca has an 80k range tractor. Just saying.


Not only that, he is obviously fixating on a single mission.

Here is the thing dear carebears:

THE LEVEL IV STORYLINES ARE AWESOME.

You get one every 16 missions.

AND

The LP Store is also AWESOME.

Which means you divide the value of the storyline by 16 and add that to the mission, and determine what LP item give you most profit, and sell that. If you can do 16 missions + storyline in 3 hours, and have the social skills I recommended etc, you would be making 15-20 million isk an hour (~3-4 million per mission including the storyline and the LP used to buy +5 implants) depending on mission. If you train nego and mining conns to V its even more, as well as if you fleet them or alt-fleet them with orca etc (with good luck, right fit/implants and the right agent, you could push it to 25-30 hour).

For example, you could buy a 65,000 LP Implant (a +5) and sell it, and it would give your around an extra million per mission.

This is what I am trying to alert you, dear carebears, the missions singly seem "bad money" but when you skill up social, and you play it as intensely as you mine, it makes better money than ores in highsec. And mining in lowsec/null is not more profitable in the long run either (ie you will lose ships etc).

Risks considered, loses considered, profit considered, there is simply no better way to make isk/hour than mining missions if you are a miner UNLESS you are feeding a larger logistic or have near perfect trade and refine skills to sell the minerals.
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