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Is risk free PVP good for the game?
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#21 - 2012-06-27 12:10:45 UTC
The rohktrain is coming to delve, and Shadoo is the conductor :toot:

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-06-27 12:28:33 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Currently there is a little dustup going on in Delve between the Haves and Have-nots. The problem I see, is that in a war of attrition, there can be only one winner.

xDeathx said once: alliance is a social network. It can't be destroyed from outside. It only can die from inside.

It doesn't matter how many ships/people/ISK/whatever has your enemy. To completely destroy your alliance he needs to take all your sov, kill all your ships/stuff, get you into NPC/highsec and block you from undock. Even then you can fight and survive.

Alliance lives while people support it. Once people get bored/tired and leave alliance dies.

What happening now in Delve/Querious? Yes, goons + PL + whatever are strong enemy. And they CAN clear Querious and sov-Delve from southern alliances. But then we have NPC Delve. And while people can group and make a fleet to fight war isn't finished.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Tobias Durandal
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-06-27 12:30:19 UTC
I'd also like to interject with nitpicking here. Nothing is risk-free in this place.

Low-risk, certainly.
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#24 - 2012-06-27 12:42:02 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
op is mad that nulli's going to get steamrolled out of delve ((


Looks like that would be anything but the case. Get on the front lines and fight, see for your self. Triple A and pets along with Red Alliances are here to hold the line.
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2012-06-27 12:51:17 UTC
Christopher AET wrote:
not anticipating the politically stable megablob that is the CFC.

This is rather amusing.

Being successful at sociality, having charisma, being able to put together a very diverse bunch of sperglords and coordinating thousands of them in battles that at times were monumentally boring, toward a common goal and giving them a fun and rewarding reason to log on... Is something the management did not anticpate?

What the CFC managed to do (and many other supposedly unbeatable mega coalitions before them, mind you) is unfiguratively winning at the morale game, and it's a problem that needs fixing?

Fix the head of who think that the game must revolve around self-appointed ~elitepvp~, where K/D kb ratio has any meaning, and you will see many more socially successful structures that can go at each others' throat more easily!

<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2012-06-27 13:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Katrina Bekers wrote:
Fix the head of who think that the game must revolve around self-appointed ~elitepvp~, where K/D kb ratio has any meaning, and you will see many more socially successful structures that can go at each others' throat more easily!

Drakes, great ~isk efficiency~.
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
op is mad that nulli's going to get steamrolled out of delve ((

Looks like that would be anything but the case. Get on the front lines and fight, see for your self. Triple A and pets along with Red Alliances are here to hold the line.

Yay, pets are here !
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
The rohktrain is coming to delve, and Shadoo is the conductor :toot:

So we'll be there...

with ShadooShocked

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-06-27 13:36:16 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
op is mad that nulli's going to get steamrolled out of delve ((


Looks like that would be anything but the case. Get on the front lines and fight, see for your self. Triple A and pets along with Red Alliances are here to hold the line.


"We will clog their guns"

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2012-06-27 13:38:15 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
op is mad that nulli's going to get steamrolled out of delve ((


Looks like that would be anything but the case. Get on the front lines and fight, see for your self. Triple A and pets along with Red Alliances are here to hold the line.


"We will clog their guns"

Our newbees will clog their guns too :)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-06-27 13:50:14 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRD3cqYPgXE&feature=player_embedded

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SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
#30 - 2012-06-27 14:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


You can have numbers, skills, ships, FC's...and still end up losing to a group filled with newer players, poorer skills, and sloppy execution, simply because they can get right back in another ship and fight again, without any personal loss of isk.




perhaps you underestimated us?

I mean, really. if we are that poorly skilled with sloppy execution, explain how we managed to get as far as we have?
you just think to yourself "oh, they're all idiots, they can't do anything really..."?
meanwhile, we're on the doorstep, leaking into the hall, sleeping with your friends in the upstairs room, hanging out your bathroom windows and pissing out the back door... and only now that some form of **** has hit the fan have you realized that there is a threat...

so, uh, you have numbers, skills, ships, FC's, but no brains?
you pretty much failed to begin with then?

Dont mind me,  just touching your stuff.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-27 14:32:03 UTC
I didn't read all these posts, but I really just wanted to bring up a related point.

My god, man, free frigates are just awesome.

So is reimbursement, guys. Don't all Nullsec residents just love reimbursement? Your Alliance puts out an announcement that there is a fleet up, and you joyfully hop in your doctrine appropriate ship to engage in gudfites, knowing full well that the contributions you make to the Alliances war efforts will be repaid in kind with cold, hard isk, often paying more than the ship itself cost.

It really is just magical. I don't have to worry about my killboards or isk efficiency since, really, my loss is LESS than 0. Since I know I'm going to be primaried eventually (or right away, in the case of flying a rifter against Nulli. Frigs is skurry, gais), I can just focus on doing what is most valuable for the fleet --- that is, I can focus on my job. If I die, reship! Free of charge!

Space is great, you guys. Especially if you have reimbursement.

PS: 99% folks, we lu' you. It's pretty excellent that you essentially caused the new southern war. ..well that and Nulli's incessant **** posting and batphoning. Nulli doesn't even seem to realize that all sov gained was accidental except yours. Ah well. Gudfites over, rapetrain commence.

Hello, hello again.
Signal11th
#32 - 2012-06-27 14:40:32 UTC
Isk really doesn;t have anything to do with it, morale and persistance usually runs out way before the isk does.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Signal11th
#33 - 2012-06-27 14:42:08 UTC
SC0T1SH WARRIOR wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


You can have numbers, skills, ships, FC's...and still end up losing to a group filled with newer players, poorer skills, and sloppy execution, simply because they can get right back in another ship and fight again, without any personal loss of isk.




perhaps you underestimated us?

I mean, really. if we are that poorly skilled with sloppy execution, explain how we managed to get as far as we have?
you just think to yourself "oh, they're all idiots, they can't do anything really..."?
meanwhile, we're on the doorstep, leaking into the hall, sleeping with your friends in the upstairs room, hanging out your bathroom windows and pissing out the back door... and only now that some form of **** has hit the fan have you realized that there is a threat...

so, uh, numbers,, ships,,GOONS, no brains!
pretty much failed to begin with then?




fixed that for you

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
#34 - 2012-06-27 14:51:33 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
SC0T1SH WARRIOR wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


You can have numbers, skills, ships, FC's...and still end up losing to a group filled with newer players, poorer skills, and sloppy execution, simply because they can get right back in another ship and fight again, without any personal loss of isk.




perhaps you underestimated us?

I mean, really. if we are that poorly skilled with sloppy execution, explain how we managed to get as far as we have?
you just think to yourself "oh, they're all idiots, they can't do anything really..."?
meanwhile, we're on the doorstep, leaking into the hall, sleeping with your friends in the upstairs room, hanging out your bathroom windows and pissing out the back door... and only now that some form of **** has hit the fan have you realized that there is a threat...

so, uh, numbers,, ships,,GOONS, no brains!
pretty much failed to begin with then?




fixed that for you


no... you didn't.

not in any way at all.

Dont mind me,  just touching your stuff.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-06-27 14:53:56 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Isk really doesn;t have anything to do with it, morale and persistance usually runs out way before the isk does.


you should know 'heh'

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Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#36 - 2012-06-27 15:01:32 UTC
Degren wrote:


PS: 99% folks, we lu' you. It's pretty excellent that you essentially caused the new southern war. ..well that and Nulli's incessant **** posting and batphoning. Nulli doesn't even seem to realize that all sov gained was accidental except yours. Ah well. Gudfites over, rapetrain commence.


We honestly thought this was the way to deklein...

Maps are hard...

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-27 15:02:54 UTC
I also think it is extremely unfair that the CFC alliances all started the game with tech moons while everyone else started with rookie ships and a civilian gun.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-06-27 15:09:03 UTC
In a game that has it's own economy reliant on people losing assets and then seeking to replace them, how can the lack of risk possibly be "good for the game"?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-06-27 15:18:42 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
In a game that has it's own economy reliant on people losing assets and then seeking to replace them, how can the lack of risk possibly be "good for the game"?


ship replacement programs create new ships out of thin air, obviously

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Signal11th
#40 - 2012-06-27 15:24:06 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
In a game that has it's own economy reliant on people losing assets and then seeking to replace them, how can the lack of risk possibly be "good for the game"?




??? You did read this before you clicked on "post" didn't you?

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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