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Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-27 12:09:19 UTC
From what I've been able to find out, Devs have said no loot table changes were made. The generally accepted explanation for the massive crash on the DC market has been attributed to three different things. People dumping stocks prior to the patch, people leaving incursions and starting missioning again (personally I'm not sure about this one), and of course the inventory system. IF it is mainly dumped goods and the inventory, then isn't some sort of bounceback expected?
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#2 - 2012-06-27 12:29:23 UTC
i would expect that if it is stocks dumped then eventually it will bounce back, I also have a vague recollection about a roll back on incursions, if that is true and not me getting old, incursion runners will once again leave missioning. id say give it a few weeks and see how things go.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-27 18:02:21 UTC
might also want to consider the new CPU rigs (though I find it hard to believe that anybody actually uses them)

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Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-27 19:02:19 UTC
Meta 4's were pretty damn expensive prior to Inferno. In some way it's kind of nice that they aren't so much anymore. With that said, I guess we will see how it goes. Though I hope that my stocks don't sell out before a price rise if that is where this is headed. x_x

- Rei

Gregory Brunswick
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-27 21:20:42 UTC
Given that its been two months since escalation to inferno I don't think panic selling was it. The price continued to drop across the board so much for some items that there was literally no floor on the price with supply outstripping all the demand. I feel strongly that ccp broke the drop rate and that it was not due to incursions. A little bit over a year ago incursions weren't being run as much but the price was still stable.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#6 - 2012-07-02 15:20:51 UTC
Yeah I find it hard to beleive prices dropped so much without a loot table change. If anything fewer people are doing missions now since they are becoming less and less worthwhile. Not only was the loot nerfed but other things like incursions make doing missions less desirable.

How then are we ending up with so many more of these dcus?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-02 18:56:08 UTC
It is as you say. Something must have changed with the drop rate. :(

- Rei

Smarcus Smokus
Donkey Punch Pioneers
Sticky Green Acres
#8 - 2012-07-02 21:50:05 UTC
This might just be all the incursion runners switching to LVL4s after CCP hit sansha with the nerf bat.

More lvl4s, more supply, lower prices?

I've noticed a rather marked decline in prices across all meta items I track.
Machete Visor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-04 01:18:39 UTC
could be more people missioning due to incursion changes... not sure about that one. but consider this math.

A level 4 battleship has a cargo hold of 300-600m3.
The amount of loot dropped in a level 4 mission is much more than that.
Ergo, the amount of loot that is picked up and returned to station is less than the amount of loot dropped.

Pre-patch, missions dropped meta1 items.
Post-patch, they do not.

Less meta1 items = more room for other items

more room for other items = more meta2-4 picked up

more meta2-4 picked up = more meta2-4 sold

more meta2-4 sold = price crash



DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#10 - 2012-07-04 17:14:17 UTC
Machete Visor wrote:
could be more people missioning due to incursion changes... not sure about that one. but consider this math.

A level 4 battleship has a cargo hold of 300-600m3.
The amount of loot dropped in a level 4 mission is much more than that.
Ergo, the amount of loot that is picked up and returned to station is less than the amount of loot dropped.

Pre-patch, missions dropped meta1 items.
Post-patch, they do not.

Less meta1 items = more room for other items

more room for other items = more meta2-4 picked up

more meta2-4 picked up = more meta2-4 sold

more meta2-4 sold = price crash





You also may be getting more peeps that were doing drone anoms/complexes changing to other missions increasing drops.
Do the drones missions now drop meta 1-4 items instead of alloys?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#11 - 2012-07-04 17:35:11 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Machete Visor wrote:
could be more people missioning due to incursion changes... not sure about that one. but consider this math.

A level 4 battleship has a cargo hold of 300-600m3.
The amount of loot dropped in a level 4 mission is much more than that.
Ergo, the amount of loot that is picked up and returned to station is less than the amount of loot dropped.

Pre-patch, missions dropped meta1 items.
Post-patch, they do not.

Less meta1 items = more room for other items

more room for other items = more meta2-4 picked up

more meta2-4 picked up = more meta2-4 sold

more meta2-4 sold = price crash





You also may be getting more peeps that were doing drone anoms/complexes changing to other missions increasing drops.
Do the drones missions now drop meta 1-4 items instead of alloys?



mmm this is good question, also what do the drone region belt rats drop now? do they drop Meta 4 items? that could explain this.
Soekith
French Kiss Singularity
#12 - 2012-07-04 18:17:19 UTC
Rogue Drones drop nothing at all. Their salvage is crap, too.

So, no meta 4 items from them.
Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-07-04 18:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Yabba Addict
The drones drop no loot at all and there was supposed to be no meta 1-4 loot increase with the removal of meta 0.

And suggesting that people were taking the meta 0 loot and leaving the 20 mil DCs is kinda silly. The amount of cargo space had nothing to do with the price crash
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-04 21:22:31 UTC
plus - who the hell salvages in a BS...? It's marauder or noctis in lvl 4's.

I mainly trade now and have seen an across the board fall in both minnie and amarr space in meta 4 loot. Some of it appears to be stabilising as I think some people may have been fitting PvP ships with better meta items as prices became a lot cheaper.

I think one thing (may not have been noted before) is that now when you loot, your hold shows the value - how many mission runners were simply highlighting 'stuff' and selling asap to buy orders but now are selling the items - possibly clearing hangars as well. I have seen a marked increase in people selling less than 5 items of meta 4 items but vastly undercutting normal sell orders and seen some items more than halve in value - I retained my orders and now prices (in some items) are starting to rise again.

I (can't be the only one) have amassed a huge amount of loot that I 'give' to my PvP alt - now my containers show how much it is all worth - so maybe people are now selling crap lying around so they can buy that new shiny ship or officer/deadspace mod. It is quite an eye opener when you open your loot/salvage/junk container hold several 100 millions isk of items........multiply that by a few thousand people and possibly that's part of the problem.

Just my late night thoughts on the issue Big smile
Machete Visor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-07-07 14:15:33 UTC
Yabba Addict wrote:
The drones drop no loot at all and there was supposed to be no meta 1-4 loot increase with the removal of meta 0.

And suggesting that people were taking the meta 0 loot and leaving the 20 mil DCs is kinda silly. The amount of cargo space had nothing to do with the price crash



Think you vastly overestimate the intelligence and effort of lev4 mission runners
They are in ships that go 100m/s and the wrecks are 50km apart. If a wreck is nearby they snag it if they have room. Otherwise they move on. Could be that they loot the field a little longer now since they have more room

The numbers coming in haven't jumped that much. Going from 100 unis to 300 units is just 200 wrecks looted... Say the drop is 1 in 100....20000 wrecks.... That is nothing