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Battle-Recorder · Eve's Very Own Built-In Fight Record Tool

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RatKnight1
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#141 - 2012-06-21 12:40:20 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
Eli Green wrote:
+10000 awesome idea
I agee! (without bias obvs Lol )

Serpensor wrote:
+1

I also really love idea and I think strongly supports CCPs desire to have the community help promote the game. This capability would go a long way towards empowering folks to create some great videos to put on YouTube. The thought of being able to render at much higher resolutions and command the camera in a more cinematic way gives me wood!
Yea, making vids with sick fast pans and zooms with some motion blur would be erotic to Eve Online's videophiles. YouTube will be swamped with stunning Eve Online videos to rival the Call Of Duty spam. Just IMAGINE the amount of people that will come play Eve Online if there were hundreds and hundreds of videos on YouTube or Vimeo. More fodder for the wars and 0.4 space. WANT just doesn't quite cut how much I NEED this to be added. DESPERATE is probably a better word.


RatKnight1 wrote:
This is not a shameless bump for a great idea.
There's no shame on the forums anyway Pirate


Alundil wrote:
I like this idea a LOT. As an avid fan of the earlier BF Titles (BF2 and BF2142), BattleRecorder was a huge boon to various gaming related functions from competitive vid capture and analysis, to machinima, catching hackers and just generating highlight reel footage....

This would be great if implemented. I'd love to see it.

Caveat: As long as it didn't detract from the renewed focus and vigor towards FIS.
I play BF2142 to relieve myself of needs to play DUST514. It's only half working. Kind of like digital methadone. Recording on the client is one of the most faultless ways of catching people botting and misbehaving in most games. Why not Eve Online? Every game that got a record feature ended up generating a scary huge community of die-hard directors. Why not Eve Online? We already have some of the most stunning videos without this software, imagine how much time would be saved for those who already make amazing vids? They'd become epic video creating machines. You'd run out of fights before you ran out of footage.

Seeing as we all learn from seeing it either being done, and then doing it, I can't think of a reason to NOT implement it. From catching cheaters, botters, 'sploiters, spammers, to spreading intel, teaching fleet tactics, demonstrating chaos in action first-hand, Eve Online needs it's own in-game record feature.

CCP? GIVE NAO.


Honestly, the recorder prolly already exists (I refuse to believe they record some of that from in game, with a client). It probably just needs some polish.

Come on CCP, you know you wanna...
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#142 - 2012-06-25 17:32:05 UTC
RatKnight1 wrote:
Honestly, the recorder prolly already exists (I refuse to believe they record some of that from in game, with a client). It probably just needs some polish.

Come on CCP, you know you wanna...
Yea CCP admitted that they have a very simple ship alignment tool that spawns x number of ships in n direction for formation flying videos. CCP could develop this to be the most awesome director tool ever made easily. Twisted

They've also admitted its on the cards, but I won't rest 'til I see it on the patch notes P

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Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-06-26 14:06:07 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
Also, who I gotta sleep with for a sticky?



I Agree
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-06-27 08:38:08 UTC
Battlefield 2got something like this as far as I remember. You could replay a whole match that was "reconstructed" with recorded data. It was awesome.

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Nihi Lismus
A Lone Wolf Inc.
#145 - 2012-06-27 11:40:28 UTC
+1

I would love to see this.

Maybe the tool should record your own UI, so you can analyze your fights like: forgott to turn of the MWD / flown out of optimal range etc., which you did't saw while fighting.
and afterwards an option in the battle-player for show/don't show UI
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-06-27 11:44:25 UTC
Nihi Lismus wrote:
+1

I would love to see this.

Maybe the tool should record your own UI, so you can analyze your fights like: forgott to turn of the MWD / flown out of optimal range etc., which you did't saw while fighting.
and afterwards an option in the battle-player for show/don't show UI


Actually: No. If you want to record ur own UI, Fraps is your way.

We need a record that can "re-construct" engagements etc. w/ timeline and provides the ability to switch views etc. (aka Battlerecorder).

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ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#147 - 2012-07-02 12:20:42 UTC
Colonel Xaven wrote:
Battlefield 2got something like this as far as I remember. You could replay a whole match that was "reconstructed" with recorded data. It was awesome.
I think every game available now has something like this except Eve :(

Nihi Lismus wrote:
+1

I would love to see this.

Maybe the tool should record your own UI, so you can analyze your fights like: forgott to turn of the MWD / flown out of optimal range etc., which you did't saw while fighting.
and afterwards an option in the battle-player for show/don't show UI
Agreed. That was always hoped to be an option, a way to disable the GUI so a film could be made, or enable the GUI for flight intel. I see no reason why it would be hard to impliment.

Colonel Xaven wrote:
Actually: No. If you want to record ur own UI, Fraps is your way.

We need a record that can "re-construct" engagements etc. w/ timeline and provides the ability to switch views etc. (aka Battlerecorder).
Well I'd agree with the option to have the GUI enabled or disabled as it would be ultra simple to impliment, and would cater for those of us who want selected windows in the GUI visible during a Fraps.

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Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
#148 - 2012-07-02 14:20:36 UTC
This would work out well and it could be the sort of player version of Jessica, Which I doubt we will ever be allowed to play with. But it would be very much superior to fraps or similar because there is far less load simply recordingt he data already known.


BTW merging of datasets should be allowed, This way if one person recording warps off in a fleet battle you can merge sets with someone else that was still on the battlefield allowing you to keep a constant feed on things.

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ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#149 - 2012-07-02 15:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ninjaholic
Viktor Fyretracker wrote:
This would work out well and it could be the sort of player version of Jessica, Which I doubt we will ever be allowed to play with. But it would be very much superior to fraps or similar because there is far less load simply recordingt he data already known.


BTW merging of datasets should be allowed, This way if one person recording warps off in a fleet battle you can merge sets with someone else that was still on the battlefield allowing you to keep a constant feed on things.

One of the famous Eve players was given access to Jessica once. Can't remember who, but it was considered an unprecedented step in CPP - community relations. I'm at work and can't Google it. But you're right, it would have a lot in common with Jessica but with much more power over the cam, no power over the positions of the ships, and I agree, merging datasets would be a good idea. But the idea is that each recording would have the same information, except the default camera or default focal point would be a different ship. I like.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#150 - 2012-07-02 15:54:38 UTC
Enthusiastically supported.

Video would be a good start, but the fights take place in 3 dimensions. Imagine a bunch of corpmates sitting in a room around a holographic table, reviewing a fight to see what went right or wrong, with full zoom and playback controls. It could be a great tactical tool, and a great training tool. It would not be easy, but it would be incredibly cool.

You could even bring up other fights that your opponents have been in and do in-depth analysis of their styles and approaches, the way sports teams do now.

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ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#151 - 2012-07-02 17:12:32 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Enthusiastically supported.

Video would be a good start, but the fights take place in 3 dimensions. Imagine a bunch of corpmates sitting in a room around a holographic table, reviewing a fight to see what went right or wrong, with full zoom and playback controls. It could be a great tactical tool, and a great training tool. It would not be easy, but it would be incredibly cool.

You could even bring up other fights that your opponents have been in and do in-depth analysis of their styles and approaches, the way sports teams do now.
Don't see why it wouldn't be easy since CCP already have Jessica, their formation-flight simualtion tool, which could be adapted to suit. And believe it or not, that room with a holographic projection of a fleet fight? That was one of the selling points for Walking in Stations, almost word-for-word by the dev that published the blog.

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Onslaughtor
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#152 - 2012-07-04 09:57:05 UTC
+1

would love to see this. then i could show all my glories battles to my friends.
Euripedies
Hot Droppin Cherry Poppers
#153 - 2012-07-05 19:55:02 UTC
I too support this tool idea.Bear

Ive wanted to record some cool stuff but have been stymied by the awful task of sorting out the software and issues and resolutions and stuff. make it simple for us simple cro-magnon/minmitar space people
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#154 - 2012-07-05 20:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: DrysonBennington
I like this idea.

I also like the idea of being able to enter into the Captin's Quarters and being able to upload the movies recorded so the we watch them in game.

Would having an in game movie theatre cause more lag?

If so then I suggest adding the function out of game so that when the player clicks their icon on the forums they could access their battle highlights.

There should also be a function where other members can watch the capsuleers battle highlights if the capsuleer allows public viewing of the movies.
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#155 - 2012-08-07 00:56:22 UTC
Onslaughtor wrote:
+1

would love to see this. then i could show all my glories battles to my friends.
That's the spirit!

Euripedies wrote:
I too support this tool idea.Bear

Ive wanted to record some cool stuff but have been stymied by the awful task of sorting out the software and issues and resolutions and stuff. make it simple for us simple cro-magnon/minmitar space people
Big, giant buttons with nice simple pictures on them. Big smile

DrysonBennington wrote:
I like this idea.

I also like the idea of being able to enter into the Captin's Quarters and being able to upload the movies recorded so the we watch them in game.
Thinking about that part gives me shivers. Same thing porn used to do.

DrysonBennington wrote:
If so then I suggest adding the function out of game so that when the player clicks their icon on the forums they could access their battle highlights. There should also be a function where other members can watch the capsuleers battle highlights if the capsuleer allows public viewing of the movies.
No reason why that's not possible. Maybe via Eve Gate? You could download them or allow others to download them? There's already privacy built in and it would create Eve Gate traffic.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#156 - 2012-08-08 22:25:03 UTC
Suprise Bumpsecks
Still supporting this

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Evil Vile
Drunken Brawlers
#157 - 2012-08-09 05:27:02 UTC
I always loved the hl recording tool, and never understood why we've not seen similar systems implemented elsewhere. A hour long DoD scrim match would take all of maybe 100KB of space. Definitely support this.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#158 - 2012-08-09 06:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
CCP Atlas wrote:
This is something that has been discussed internally numerous times and it is pretty awesome. I do believe it's even on some backlog or other, but I don't know when or if it will be attacked.

There was a low-fantasy PvP sandbox MMO called Shadowbane that shut down in 2009 that had it's own in-game recorder.

It worked by creating a sort "mini-server" in which server and client code/data were compiled together to create an ultra-small file (i.e. maybe 100kb per minute of recording) that could be played with the Shadowbane client. So in re-playing the recording in the client, all of the server-side data was saved in that recording for the client to communicate with in re-rendering it.

You could change the camera angle and take control of the character with which the recording was made, and change all of the windows around (e.g. minimize them all, move them, etc.)

Absolutely pain-free for frapsing it later while running the recorder in the client using the best camera angles, zooming in and out, moving the character around, etc.

It also worked extremely well for recording bugs. Instead of writing up bug reports, one could simply replicate a bug they discovered with the in-game recorder running, and the recorder would capture all the code, including the bugged code.

It also used almost no additional resources while running, as opposed to FRAPS.

It's proven extremely useful in our emulator project, as we've been able to reconstruct the server mostly from recordings people made through shutdown of the game in 2009.

I have absolutely no idea what, if any other games use this type of in-game recording, but if it's rare, I could certainly arrange access to SBemu beta for some devs to get an idea of the mechanics involved with that type of in-game recording. I'm guessing though there's probably a lot of other games that utilize this style of in-game recording as well.
Savage Breed
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-08-12 05:33:29 UTC
+1

The learning possibilities alone boggle the mind!

Also, all it needs to be is a way to copy the same information you are receiving on you overview, and then a way to play it back in the eve client with some simple video editing utilities. It doesn't need to be a hugely involved monster of a program, just some thing simple as Tallian has said;

Tallian Saotome wrote:

...No more info needs to be sent to the client because the client knows where people are, when they fire, and when they blow up. The specifics(such as how much damage was done, etc) don't need to be there because they are irrelevant.

We aren't asking for a full on simulator, we are asking for a playback feature that shows you what you could see before, thats all.


Creating hypotitical engagements from scratch would also be a great idea, but CCP doesn't need to implement that, as I'm sure someone else could create a program that hacks the data files. CCP only needs to not protect those files.
Teshania
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-08-13 12:29:08 UTC
+1 Cool

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