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Proteus for pvp?

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Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#1 - 2012-06-26 13:40:15 UTC
What roles are proteus' viable for?

Can they fill a role in large scale fleet engagements, if so, what kinds.

What are they typically used for in losec/small gang pvp.

Do you fly a proteus? If so how do you fit it/use it?

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.

illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#2 - 2012-06-26 13:44:41 UTC
cloaky proteus is a beast :)

i fly this in a very small gang


[Proteus, Cloaky WH]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Soooo this is my sig.... 

Predator989
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#3 - 2012-06-26 14:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Predator989
illirdor wrote:
cloaky proteus is a beast :)

i fly this in a very small gang


[Proteus, Cloaky WH]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


So...you spend the iskies on the tech 2 trimarks...and the faction mag stabs....but not the EANMs or tackle gear.....not sure if serious or eft warrior

Edit: Noticed the TE....I guess that makes sense somehow?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-06-26 15:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Proteus is a brilliant cloaky solo/gang ship, ultra-heavy tackle for large fleets or armor buffer brawler in a logi fleet. It also does a very impressive active armor tank.

I agree with Predator, the above not the best cloaky Proteus fit I've seen either:

- not taking advantages of the extended scram range
- no drones
- no defense against neuting

But to each their own, this is my bogeyman:


[Proteus, CovBlasterDrones]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Nosferatu II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior SW-300 x5

Cheaper, more everything. 579dps / 122K EHP / 1276m/s

.

Sitreba Oonchevkii
#5 - 2012-06-26 16:50:24 UTC
[Proteus, Proteus - PVP]

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Domination Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

not really cheap, 570 DPS, 214k ehp, 324k ehp with hg slave set, takes advantage of scram range bonus and has a 17km tackle range. stable at 50%

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.

Warpshade
Warped Industries
#6 - 2012-06-26 19:54:28 UTC
I've been researching many cloaky Proteus builds for the past few days, as I've been thinking about jumping in one for some upgraded solo fun. However I am abit wet behind the ears with the Proteus. Can anyone preferably with experience, critique my build.

[Proteus, Cloaky Uboat]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-EM Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

554Dps 637Dps overheated, 1108m/s 90kehp requires a low end slot 6 PG implant

My logic behind the build
The major obvious flaw is it doesn't have any drones, however I have seen rational arguments argue that you can go without them. With 4 mids it has a capbooster to counter Cap warfare, and still retain a web, as I have seen many builds with a booster but typically forgoing the web.
As for the tank it has a 90k ehp which Im hoping should be enough? The repper isnt really there to be an active tank, although obviouly you could use it to prolong if you need to use it, but the idea was not having to go back to a station to repair. As for the EM rig, yes it's meant to be EM not Exp as dropping the EM rig just gave a too bigger EM hole, and having a EM rig just balanced out the resists better overall. Obviously the EANM's and Tackle can be upgraded to faction variants.

Is the tank idea too weak? is this viable or complete utter set sail for fail?
R'adeh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-26 20:55:59 UTC
[Proteus, Proteus: WH/0.0 Roamer]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Medium Capacitor Booster II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler

Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Hybrid Burst Accelerator II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Stats assuming lvl5 skills and a few cheap implants (as in: below 100m together):

EHP: 186k
75.1% EM / 83.8% THERM / 91.9% KIN / 76.9% EXPL
Damage repped: 301.4hp/s
DPS: 485 (Void), 346 (Null), Antimatter's somewhere in between

Cap stable as long as you have boosters...and you can fit a ton and won't always have to use it in the first place. The SS scrambler rocks because it has +3 scramble strength...great against blockade runners and retards fitting wcs on their combat ships.

Total cost is around 642M ISK...

If you pimp it (Corpum A-Types, etc.) and use a full HG Slave set, you're looking at 500k EHP :D
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-26 21:22:32 UTC
I can thing about a couple of those loot piñatas get lown by 1 or 2 cynas with faction point 30km, it's always nit to spit battleship dps on EFT. In game if you're going to solo you better be able to hit crap at least 30km or you'll get home in a pod sooner than later.

You can fit your Prot for 400'ish + dps 30+km without implants/combat boosters, switch AM for a nive 650+ and Void for destruction "in tha face", it's more than enough dps to kill stuff, but at least you don't get yourself owned like a noob pointed from "there" and unable to do anything else but watch yourself miserably die.

You need to loose at least one this way to understand EFT is nice, play the game is better.

brb

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-26 21:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Ive been flying around in this recently:

Quote:
[Proteus, JM - Nautilus]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Dark Blood Small Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hammerhead II x5


does 1007dps with implants and void, has 146k EHP and reps 270dps/sec.
the repper may seem an odd choice but it has saved my ship more than once. (have never lost a proteus.)

can be made significantly cheaper with IN EANMs, ctype rep and T2 mids.
it needs the T2 trimarks and faction mag stabs, stop being cheap.

IMO proteus is the single best close up ship bar none.
nothing else comes close to the tank and dps combo.

for fleet work i obviously drop the repper for a 3rd mag stab.

as for the people above complaining about price and saying you need to shoot to 30km, i laugh at you.
i use this is WHs, the price isnt an issue and if youre flying a T3 worth less than a bil, youre likely doing it wrong.
im also not a moron so i dont fly this solo against thing ill obviously lose it to.
in fleets we have lokis with 45km webs so being kited is not a problem.

There is no Bob.

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R'adeh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-06-26 21:51:02 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
I can thing about a couple of those loot piñatas get lown by 1 or 2 cynas with faction point 30km, it's always nit to spit battleship dps on EFT. In game if you're going to solo you better be able to hit crap at least 30km or you'll get home in a pod sooner than later.

You can fit your Prot for 400'ish + dps 30+km without implants/combat boosters, switch AM for a nive 650+ and Void for destruction "in tha face", it's more than enough dps to kill stuff, but at least you don't get yourself owned like a noob pointed from "there" and unable to do anything else but watch yourself miserably die.

You need to loose at least one this way to understand EFT is nice, play the game is better.


Yes, because everyone flies Cynas. Roll

Run into a Cyna on a gate? Warp...and if he points you, slowboat back to the gate...plenty of buffer on most Proteus, and Cyna's generally don't fit webs or warp scramblers.

If it's 2 Cynas...well...you either didn't scan/scout enough or you picked a fight against ships your Proteus really can't handle well on purpose. Fighting Cynas in a blastership is stupid, and that goes for all of them...not a fault of the Proteus. Pick your fights, and don't get into fights you can't win.

PS: Yes, sometimes you get ganked too...it's Eve ;)
Secktar
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2012-06-27 03:07:13 UTC
R'adeh wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
I can thing about a couple of those loot piñatas get lown by 1 or 2 cynas with faction point 30km, it's always nit to spit battleship dps on EFT. In game if you're going to solo you better be able to hit crap at least 30km or you'll get home in a pod sooner than later.

You can fit your Prot for 400'ish + dps 30+km without implants/combat boosters, switch AM for a nive 650+ and Void for destruction "in tha face", it's more than enough dps to kill stuff, but at least you don't get yourself owned like a noob pointed from "there" and unable to do anything else but watch yourself miserably die.

You need to loose at least one this way to understand EFT is nice, play the game is better.


Yes, because everyone flies Cynas. Roll

Run into a Cyna on a gate? Warp...and if he points you, slowboat back to the gate...plenty of buffer on most Proteus, and Cyna's generally don't fit webs or warp scramblers.

If it's 2 Cynas...well...you either didn't scan/scout enough or you picked a fight against ships your Proteus really can't handle well on purpose. Fighting Cynas in a blastership is stupid, and that goes for all of them...not a fault of the Proteus. Pick your fights, and don't get into fights you can't win.

PS: Yes, sometimes you get ganked too...it's Eve ;)



The response I was going to use... well almost.

Also its a cloaky (mostly) proteus. Even in fleet action, the proteus is the scout... why not, no worry about bubbles and its cloaky.

Only commit when you know you can win or have backup.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#12 - 2012-06-27 19:15:56 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Ive been flying around in this recently:

Quote:
[Proteus, JM - Nautilus]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Dark Blood Small Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hammerhead II x5


does 1007dps with implants and void, has 146k EHP and reps 270dps/sec.
the repper may seem an odd choice but it has saved my ship more than once. (have never lost a proteus.)

can be made significantly cheaper with IN EANMs, ctype rep and T2 mids.
it needs the T2 trimarks and faction mag stabs, stop being cheap.

IMO proteus is the single best close up ship bar none.
nothing else comes close to the tank and dps combo.

for fleet work i obviously drop the repper for a 3rd mag stab.

as for the people above complaining about price and saying you need to shoot to 30km, i laugh at you.
i use this is WHs, the price isnt an issue and if youre flying a T3 worth less than a bil, youre likely doing it wrong.
im also not a moron so i dont fly this solo against thing ill obviously lose it to.
in fleets we have lokis with 45km webs so being kited is not a problem.


Why no friction extension sub jack? No love for the long scram?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-28 00:17:46 UTC
cos everyone and their mother uses EC drones.
also, **** falcons.

There is no Bob.

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chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#14 - 2012-06-28 08:17:34 UTC
Fair point.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-28 16:15:15 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Fair point.



Indeed Lol

brb