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Could we pay 150% on an account in order to train 2 characters simultaneously?
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Too Much Effort
#1 - 2011-10-08 00:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Too Much Effort
I would use it, that's how I determined that it's a good idea.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-08 00:12:16 UTC
No. You're supposed to open 2nd account to train 2.

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Vincent Athena
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#3 - 2011-10-08 00:19:54 UTC
A second account lets you train 2 AND fly 2 pilots at once. If you just wanted to train 2, it could be offered for less. Do not know if CCP thinks its a money maker, or a loser. Not sure myself.

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Too Much Effort
#4 - 2011-10-08 00:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Too Much Effort
Vincent Athena wrote:
A second account lets you train 2 AND fly 2 pilots at once. If you just wanted to train 2, it could be offered for less. Do not know if CCP thinks its a money maker, or a loser. Not sure myself.



I don't really feel like trying to run two clients at once anymore. I'd rather train 2 and play one or the other. Good for avoiding awkward corp moments as well, when I still want to play, but not want to be on a specific character.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-08 00:31:49 UTC
CCP already said they're looking into allowing you to pay more to simultaneously train on an account. I absolutely support it.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#6 - 2011-10-08 00:34:32 UTC
Do I have to buy a brain for my other chars in the NEX store? Lol

Yeah, I'd love to have more "true" chars on one account instead of using several too.

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Too Much Effort
#7 - 2011-10-08 00:34:50 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
CCP already said they're looking into allowing you to pay more to simultaneously train on an account. I absolutely support it.


Well I hope they start the promotion sooner rather than later. I'm thinking about making an explorer. I'm just not interested in 2 separate accounts anymore though. I cancelled my other one and just let the queue run out.
1-Up Mushroom
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-08 00:51:57 UTC
Too Much Effort wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
A second account lets you train 2 AND fly 2 pilots at once. If you just wanted to train 2, it could be offered for less. Do not know if CCP thinks its a money maker, or a loser. Not sure myself.



I don't really feel like trying to run two clients at once anymore. I'd rather train 2 and play one or the other. Good for avoiding awkward corp moments as well, when I still want to play, but not want to be on a specific character.


This, I would pay for training two chars on the same account and I'm sure a lot of others would too. 150% is also good because your only getting half (not being able to fly it as someone already mentioned)
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#9 - 2011-10-08 00:53:00 UTC
How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time.

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Too Much Effort
#10 - 2011-10-08 00:58:46 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time.


Don't need 6 character slots.
Don't want to run 2 at the same time.
Don't want to deal with two separate accounts.

I only want to keep 2 skill queue's running and I don't think it's worth the cost or hassle of 2 separate accounts.

I'm sure others would have 2 or maybe 3 150% accounts and the reasons are clear for that as well.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#11 - 2011-10-08 01:10:49 UTC
Too Much Effort wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time.


Don't need 6 character slots.
Don't want to run 2 at the same time.
Don't want to deal with two separate accounts.

I only want to keep 2 skill queue's running and I don't think it's worth the cost or hassle of 2 separate accounts.

I'm sure others would have 2 or maybe 3 150% accounts and the reasons are clear for that as well.



Then don't use the 6 character slots.

Then only run 1 account at a time.

Fair enough.

The issue with having a reduced cost is that it promotes character farming. Where as now you have to pay $30 to train 2 characters where as with your plan you only pay $22 for 2. This will just allow people to sit a alt and train for 6months then transfer to another account and save 50%. This is why CCP hasn't allowed it.

IF they put a system in to allow 2 characters to train on 1 account then they either need to charge the full amount for 2 accounts, or cause the secondary character to train at 50%. Otherwise the system will be abused to hell.

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#12 - 2011-10-08 01:13:03 UTC
An example. I mostly work from home if I'm not sent someplace end of world is near (e.g. Connecticut or Korea).

While working from home, I like to mine. No, I don't use a bot. I'm scripted as stupid myself.

When free to pay full attention to EVE I like to do more active stuff. Miner Alt without different account would be nice.

Why not train two chars on the same account then? Saves work in EVEMON, too.
Also the twinks don't make any sense at the moment except for 2-day train trading alts.

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-08 01:21:31 UTC
If you could train 2nd character with 50% price, you would get 2x more profit when selling it.

In other words..
1) people would buy "150%" account.
2) Train their main + the alt for a year.
3) Tranfer the alt to another account.
4) Have 2 accounts with years training time but with 25% less money.

Sounds like an excellent deal for CCP. Specially the bot char farmers would be thrilled :)

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Verboten Technologies
#14 - 2011-10-08 01:23:55 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Too Much Effort wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time.


Don't need 6 character slots.
Don't want to run 2 at the same time.
Don't want to deal with two separate accounts.

I only want to keep 2 skill queue's running and I don't think it's worth the cost or hassle of 2 separate accounts.

I'm sure others would have 2 or maybe 3 150% accounts and the reasons are clear for that as well.



Then don't use the 6 character slots.

Then only run 1 account at a time.

Fair enough.

The issue with having a reduced cost is that it promotes character farming. Where as now you have to pay $30 to train 2 characters where as with your plan you only pay $22 for 2. This will just allow people to sit a alt and train for 6months then transfer to another account and save 50%. This is why CCP hasn't allowed it.

IF they put a system in to allow 2 characters to train on 1 account then they either need to charge the full amount for 2 accounts, or cause the secondary character to train at 50%. Otherwise the system will be abused to hell.


Your argument about people farming characters falls short.

People already farm characters, through various means currently. When ever they do the power of two promotion, you see an in flux of starter chars a few months later. Farming chars has always been going on.

At least this way CCP can make more money per account, that uses this feature.

If farming chars is such a problem CCP should secretly or openly buy chars that are being sold and biomass them.

Especially some of the older chars.

In fact I think CCP should be doing that even if they don't allow people to pay to train more than one char per account.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#15 - 2011-10-08 01:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Grey Stormshadow:
You have a point there. I agree.

Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player.
Why even offer to create them in the first place?

They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right?

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-08 01:38:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Grey Stormshadow:
You have a point there. I agree.

Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player.
Why even offer to create them in the first place?

They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right?

Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do.

What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters from bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots.

When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly.

Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do).

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Black Ops Bridge
#17 - 2011-10-08 01:44:59 UTC
I eagerly await the day when I can begin my training. Blink
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#18 - 2011-10-08 01:45:05 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Grey Stormshadow:
You have a point there. I agree.

Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player.
Why even offer to create them in the first place?

They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right?

Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do.

What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters and bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots.

When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly.

Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do).


Or I train my "Main" instead, because he already has the prerequisites for many skills and I can only fly one char at a time per account and would lose more time training my "Alts" on the same account?
You can train the two extra chars efficiently in very short term things, but after that they are just dolls sitting around.
Or I miss something, which would not come as a surprise at this hour. Blink

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-10-08 01:52:55 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Grey Stormshadow:
You have a point there. I agree.

Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player.
Why even offer to create them in the first place?

They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right?

Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do.

What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters and bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots.

When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly.

Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do).


Or I train my "Main" instead, because he already has the prerequisites for many skills and I can only fly one char at a time per account and would lose more time training my "Alts" on the same account?
You can train the two extra chars efficiently in very short term things, but after that they are just dolls sitting around.
Or I miss something, which would not come as a surprise at this hour. Blink


Well in a way buying plex with money and selling it with isk to buy pre-trained character is something what should solve the original request as well. Main difference is that you pay from entire training time you want in advance.

If in some point you want even more skill points, you could always trade that character forward and buy new one with same method.

If you disagree with this, I have to come to conclusion that this thread is more about getting cheaper way to train characters than getting to train 2 or more characters on same account. Of course you don't have to agree with me on this one :) People rarely do.

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#20 - 2011-10-08 01:56:47 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Grey Stormshadow:
You have a point there. I agree.

Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player.
Why even offer to create them in the first place?

They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right?

Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do.

What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters and bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots.

When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly.

Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do).


Or I train my "Main" instead, because he already has the prerequisites for many skills and I can only fly one char at a time per account and would lose more time training my "Alts" on the same account?
You can train the two extra chars efficiently in very short term things, but after that they are just dolls sitting around.
Or I miss something, which would not come as a surprise at this hour. Blink


Well in a way buying plex with money and selling it with isk to buy pre-trained character is something what should solve the original request as well. Main difference is that you pay from entire training time you want in advance.

If in some point you want even more skill points, you could always trade that character forward and buy new one with same method.

If you disagree with this, I have to come to conclusion that this thread is more about getting cheaper way to train characters than getting to train 2 or more characters on same account. Of course you don't have to agree with me on this one :) People rarely do.


Oh, I'm quite happy with the chars I already got. But training several on same account would have been nice at some point in time. We are just talking theories. ;)

And I wouldn't buy characters. I think that is not exactly cheap but more to the point - very uncreative.

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