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I'd like to ask the entire eve comminitys help

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Izziee
University of Izziee
#21 - 2012-06-25 21:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Izziee
Zleon Leigh wrote:
Why do you people think it should be okay for people to steal? Okay, how about helping others steal? He broke the law, he gets to defend himself in a court, and he can pay for his crimes if convicted. If he's not convicted I'm sure the US will be happy to export his ass back to the UK.

Stop with the thinking that there is a free lunch for everyone.


I don't think it's illegal for someone to tell another that X person doesn't lock their door.

It's illegal for someone to go and steal from the person who didn't lock their door though.

AFAIK, He didn't host anything.

A little extract

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A study by Channel 4 News in March 2012 found the UK had accepted 75 extradition requests from the US, refused seven and had 52 still pending. The US had accepted 40 UK extradition requests, with a further 17 cases pending.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/25/tom-watson-richard-odwyer-extradition?newsfeed=true

Considering the UK has 60 million people and the US has what, 313 million? It just shows how they like to jump up and down about things. (They've also not refused the UK which, imo is just as bad, though I don't know the cases obviously, but the ease at which they just chuck a life away and ship them off to another country is a bit iffy. Though, again, I don't know the cases and how serious they were, but judging by THIS "crime" (to the US, not to the UK so hardly a crime) it makes me wonder.

I've also read it's illegal for an American citizen to smoke a Cuban cigar in the UK, even though their legal here.

BTW, GOOGLE, (which if I'm not mistaken (I might be :p) is an American company), hosts links to the exact same thing (and much worse) as does Yahoo. Don't these companies, make a whole boat load of cash from adverts. Yes, yes they do. What's the actual difference?
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#22 - 2012-06-25 22:19:46 UTC
Totalrx wrote:
I didn't say they weren't useful for awareness, I just stated that internet signed petitions have no legal standing Blink

The guy still needs to be prosecuted though. Just on British soil.

As a person who worked for over two decades in the entertainment industry, I don't support theft or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works.

it's already been throught the legal system on the issue of linking, linking was ruled legal and not illegal.
Totalrx
NA No Assholes
#23 - 2012-06-25 22:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Totalrx
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
Totalrx wrote:
I didn't say they weren't useful for awareness, I just stated that internet signed petitions have no legal standing Blink

The guy still needs to be prosecuted though. Just on British soil.

As a person who worked for over two decades in the entertainment industry, I don't support theft or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works.

it's already been throught the legal system on the issue of linking, linking was ruled legal and not illegal.


I will honestly admit that I missed the part that he was merely linking the content.

100% ggreed, but that is changing here in the US. Very scary territory that things are headed into.

Here's the article along with a copy of the original investigation complaint: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/10/new-york-man-faces-five-years-in-jail-for-linking-to-online-videos/

I would venture to say that the basis is that people who link are participating in the distribution of unauthorized reproductions of copyrighted material. I don't agree with it, but that appears to be where they are headed.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#24 - 2012-06-26 16:19:39 UTC
one thing the pirate partys in europe have been trying for is a reform of copyright law, have a read and see what you think.

http://www.copyrightreform.eu/
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#25 - 2012-06-26 16:37:11 UTC
But my example about the first amendment example I still stand by.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#26 - 2012-06-26 16:52:57 UTC
Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?

Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#27 - 2012-06-26 18:15:52 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?

Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you.


actually your wrong on that part, in Britain linking is NOT illegal, secondly you would rightly assume because you are NOT committing any offense within your own country which might break another country's that you couldn't be extradited from your country where what you are doing is legal to another country where what you are doing is illegal. see my example about the first amendment, if you did what I put in that example you would NOT expect to get extradited from the states to china for doing something that is your first amendment right eve if some might find it offensive and it breaks the law in another country.
Izziee
University of Izziee
#28 - 2012-06-26 19:58:51 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?

Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you.


Yes, we do. Because A BRITISH citizen doing nothing illegal in BRITAIN while he is in BRITAIN means he should be tried by a BRITISH judge, or sorry, not tried at all, since ya' know, it's not illegal.

As you said, AMERICAN law, NOT British, nor is it international law.

Seems you're not intelligent enough to recognise that he operated a site that broke no laws to his country, There's been numerous claims where judges laughed the case right out of court.
Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-06-27 03:29:09 UTC
Izziee wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?

Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you.


Yes, we do. Because A BRITISH citizen doing nothing illegal in BRITAIN while he is in BRITAIN means he should be tried by a BRITISH judge, or sorry, not tried at all, since ya' know, it's not illegal.

As you said, AMERICAN law, NOT British, nor is it international law.

Seems you're not intelligent enough to recognise that he operated a site that broke no laws to his country, There's been numerous claims where judges laughed the case right out of court.

You're resorting to personal insults.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_international_copyright_agreements
They count as British laws.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#30 - 2012-06-27 06:33:21 UTC
Remember: If the United States ends up having to be invaded like Germany, DO NOT ignore the people here who have worked hard trying to put a stop to this.

In fact we have lists of the people you will want to arrest for their war crimes as well as the people who have hijacked and cheated the elections systems preventing a peaceful removal of the present regime.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#31 - 2012-06-28 02:33:47 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remember: If the United States ends up having to be invaded like Germany, DO NOT ignore the people here who have worked hard trying to put a stop to this.

In fact we have lists of the people you will want to arrest for their war crimes as well as the people who have hijacked and cheated the elections systems preventing a peaceful removal of the present regime.





Never fear, we`ll quietly absorb Canada before you` ll need to invade. There probably won't even be bloodshed so it might even go unnoticed.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-28 03:08:02 UTC
This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.

What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.

It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#33 - 2012-06-29 15:02:23 UTC
eitehr way I ask that people sign this to stop this happening, come what may it's not right and as the protests involving sopa and pipa show, you CAN make a difference.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-06-29 15:58:56 UTC
I would've just bribed the embassy staff to shoot him. Problem solved and you can make up any story you want Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#35 - 2012-06-29 17:40:05 UTC
ICE is so overzealous about apprehending anything and everything that it's almost comical. 'ICE Presents Brasil Minister of Culture with Old Cracked Bowl it Confiscated in the U.S.' 'ICE Confiscates Degas Scribble from Old Lady and Returns it to Heirs of Likely Owner in Italy' Their P.R. unit works overtime bragging up every little thing they do. http://www.ice.gov/news/
Cierejai
Biofuel Productions
#36 - 2012-06-30 09:16:56 UTC
IIshira wrote:
This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.

What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.

It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future.



The US signed extradition treaties with a lot of countries.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#37 - 2012-07-01 23:44:32 UTC
Cierejai wrote:
IIshira wrote:
This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.

What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.

It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future.



The US signed extradition treaties with a lot of countries.



And generally them seem stacked in the US's favor kinda makes you wonder what terms they offered in exchange for the "balance" towards US interests
thats not to say the US gets its own way all the time...
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2012-07-02 06:57:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Well, I have boycotted the established music industry for over a decade now because of their ancient and broken business practices.

I happily support bands that hasn't signed their asses to a record company, and it feels good to know that they actually get all of it unlike those fools that signed up.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-07-02 08:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Cierejai wrote:
IIshira wrote:
This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.

What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.

It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future.



The US signed extradition treaties with a lot of countries.


This is true but normally committing a crime requires being in that country. Say for instance a person goes to the US and murders someone they can bring him back.

So the record company that owns rights to the song is in the US so we are going to charge them by US law.... I understand the music industry has to make a buck but putting this guy in a US prison just to make an example out of him isn't the right thing to do.

So if the artist is from Mexico are you going to extradite and put someone in a Mexican prison? They'll be lucky to be alive after a few years...
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#40 - 2012-07-04 00:01:59 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Well, I have boycotted the established music industry for over a decade now because of their ancient and broken business practices.

I happily support bands that hasn't signed their asses to a record company, and it feels good to know that they actually get all of it unlike those fools that signed up.


which case might be interested to know the founder of megavideo etc, is still going ahead with the megabox idea/business plan.

http://torrentfreak.com/top-artists-line-up-for-kim-dotcoms-megabox-120629/
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