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Not another high sec miner thread.....Oh yes it is

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-26 18:14:44 UTC
Yes this is another High sec miner post but from a miners point of view. Us miners don’t get a lot of tears from other players unless it’s a failed gank and the gankers cry in local that its not fair that concord blew them up but it happens. One other way we get to feed on tears is the forum oh the awesome forum posts of characters like James 312 or something like that....... I wonder if all the players who post on these forums realize that when they cry about high sec miners they are actually feeding us tears while we laugh at them from our cozy little space guarded by concord.I am actually writing this as I mine since AFK mining is the way to go IMO.


Lets see I usually play another game or finish some financials from work or even play with my daughters while I mine but in the end I make bank no matter what happens to my ship :) I recently commented on a post about miners and ganking and I agree with some of the comments such as hoping that all the miners ragequit. That would be awesome as that just leaves more roids for us AFK miners because the damn belts were empty last night so I had to go mine ice. In all honesty hulkageddon has been great for sales keep blowing up those ships some of us are actually making a profit.

I see only 2 reasons for the hate towards miners.
1. jealousy This is simple, there is a group of players who make alot of isk with no risk and its perfectly legal so ganker says thats not fair I should be able to do that also...well guess what you can and most likely do but dont tell anyone that you do.

2. Boredom Low and null sec has become blob heaven or just too much risk for a solo miner.

I would discuss bots but I dont use them and those that do take the ultimate risk IMO because they risk getting banned (how many PVPers would still PVP if the ban hammer was hanging over them but they could make a ton of isk and a generally short time period hmmmm.).

In conclusion you can troll this post make fun of my grammar and typos or touch yourself I dont really care and thats what everyone needs to understand, Miners dont give a flying monkeys ass if you cry about them its like standing in the middle of the forest all by yourself and yelling I hate everyone. who gives a @#$%. Keep buying our stuff on the market though please we do appreciate your business.

Please continue to cry about miners on the forums its great reading when im stuck at work.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom

Dave Stark
#2 - 2012-06-26 18:18:37 UTC
hulkageddon is just the goons wanting low end minerals to rise for some reason. nothing more, nothing less.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-26 18:31:26 UTC
They see us minin', they be hatin'

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#4 - 2012-06-26 18:37:58 UTC
You miss the 3rd reason for hate against miners:

A large number of forum folks group miners and carebears in the same category.

For the purpose of this post, a carebear is someone who is not only risk averse but insists that CCP "fix" nonexistent problems for the purpose of making their game play risk free at the expense of others. They ruin games. They are right above EA and Sony in game ruining ability.

Most people do not actually hate miners (some do however... James is one of the more known ones, but for all I know he may just be RPing).


In fact, if more miners visibly took action to adapt (such as mining aligned, pretty easy as long as you aren't afk) the stigma would reduce.


But, the whining carebears destroy any potential of that happening.



Thankfully CCP is making changes to barges that will make adaptation easier and will leave the carebears with no excuse.
Pyramid Scheme
Carebear Productions
#5 - 2012-06-26 18:40:37 UTC
you missed the main reason: profit

goons did the math and its profitable for them, and so they contract out the legwork.
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-26 18:43:48 UTC
You just posted in GD that you mine afk on what appears to not be an alt.

This will not end well for you.
Price Check Aisle3
#7 - 2012-06-26 18:44:36 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:
You just posted in GD that you mine afk on what appears to not be an alt.

This will not end well for you.

Emergent gameplay.
  • Karl Hobb IATS
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#8 - 2012-06-26 19:00:04 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
This is simple, there is a group of players who make alot of isk with no risk


Did you...just...did you...really...oh my...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*gasp*

Highsec miners do NOT make a lot of isk. Incursions *did* once upon a time, and that got properly nerfed.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#9 - 2012-06-26 19:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Oisin Sandovar
Dave stark wrote:
hulkageddon is just the goons wanting low end minerals to rise for some reason. nothing more, nothing less.

That is one stated reason the Goons are funding ganking, and ganking high sec miners is to further the ends of the Goons leadership in terms of economic reasons. The hate and vitriol is the method the Goon leadership is using to foster the drive for people to go out and gank. That and some ISK.

They've also expanded hulkageddon to include mining barges.

All of which was discussed in When does all the ganking make mining worth it? about there <--.

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey

Christopher Dulson
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-26 19:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Christopher Dulson
Quote:
Quote:
play with my daughters while I mine


I knew those miners where terrible people and at last i have some proof


Also Mittans Army of player haters are calling for the destruction of Hulks because they make huge profits from Tech moons which is a vital component of Hulks
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#11 - 2012-06-26 19:10:59 UTC
Christopher Dulson wrote:
Reserved for future


1. whine
2. troll
3. self aggrandment

There we go, fixed it for you. We'll just pretend you did! Blink

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey

Dave Stark
#12 - 2012-06-26 19:14:06 UTC
Oisin Sandovar wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
hulkageddon is just the goons wanting low end minerals to rise for some reason. nothing more, nothing less.

That is one stated reason the Goons are funding ganking, and ganking high sec miners is to further the ends of the Goons leadership in terms of economic reasons. The hate and vitriol is the method the Goon leadership is using to foster the drive for people to go out and gank. That and some ISK.

They've also expanded hulkageddon to include mining barges.

All of which was discussed in When does all the ganking make mining worth it? about there <--.


yep, although i suspect some thing else is going on too. in jita pyerite has gone from ~11isk to about 12.4 isk, it's put scordite as like the 4th most lucrative ore in the game. ****'s getting real now.

high sec mining is genuinely profitable right now.
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#13 - 2012-06-26 19:17:26 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

yep, although i suspect some thing else is going on too. in jita pyerite has gone from ~11isk to about 12.4 isk, it's put scordite as like the 4th most lucrative ore in the game. ****'s getting real now.

high sec mining is genuinely profitable right now.

Yes, very probable. I don't pretend to understand what the Goons are doing, or anyone else is, in terms of all these grand schemes and plans. It's all way over my head!

I can process enough minerals to meet my needs, so I haven't really looked at mineral prices.

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#14 - 2012-06-26 19:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Nevermind...
Dave Stark
#15 - 2012-06-26 19:19:51 UTC
Oisin Sandovar wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

yep, although i suspect some thing else is going on too. in jita pyerite has gone from ~11isk to about 12.4 isk, it's put scordite as like the 4th most lucrative ore in the game. ****'s getting real now.

high sec mining is genuinely profitable right now.

Yes, very probable. I don't pretend to understand what the Goons are doing, or anyone else is, in terms of all these grand schemes and plans. It's all way over my head!

I can process enough minerals to meet my needs, so I haven't really looked at mineral prices.


i have a theory, but i won't share it because it's both baseless and very likely wrong.
some thing tells me there's more than goons at work perhaps, the pyerite spike today seems a bit odd but i'll leave that one to be puzzled out by better men than myself.
Price Check Aisle3
#16 - 2012-06-26 19:23:29 UTC
Oisin Sandovar wrote:
Yes, very probable. I don't pretend to understand what the Goons are doing, or anyone else is, in terms of all these grand schemes and plans. It's all way over my head!

It is either very simple (those people hold a massive stockpile of low-ends, drive the costs through the roof prompting others to dump early while they patiently wait and trickle their own stockpiles out) or it has some other, more complicated end.

I personally suspect it's the simple option.
  • Karl Hobb IATS
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#17 - 2012-06-26 19:24:05 UTC
Protip: You aren't making a lot of money, just more than you should be for the risk involved and the "skill" required.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#18 - 2012-06-26 20:12:07 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Protip: You aren't making a lot of money, just more than you should be for the risk involved and the "skill" required.

Ah, you're a pro-miner?

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-06-26 20:28:07 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Protip: You aren't making a lot of money, just more than you should be for the risk involved and the "skill" required.

With gank ships being cheap, and on top of that being paid back and more, combined with the potential of high value salvage providing plenty of incentive to gank these ships, further evidenced by the number of people doing so, how do you conclude that the risk is too low for the reward?
Pipa Porto
#20 - 2012-06-26 20:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Protip: You aren't making a lot of money, just more than you should be for the risk involved and the "skill" required.

With gank ships being cheap, and on top of that being paid back and more, combined with the potential of high value salvage providing plenty of incentive to gank these ships, further evidenced by the number of people doing so, how do you conclude that the risk is too low for the reward?


You cannot profitably gank a properly tanked Hulk.


EDIT: And you can't gank a properly attentive and prepared miner at all.

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