Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Eve mentality: If you do not like something in Eve, don't do it.

It is a sandbox.

You do not building sand castles? Go build sand Eiffel towers and find another FW group.

I feel for your suffering. Why could they not make gravity less gravitimetric to make jogging easier. Adidas failed hard.

-EDIT- No gibberish, please - ISD Tyrozan

Please, tell me again how there is no PVP in eve.


Just because you don't like blobsm doesn't mean they aren't PVP.


Could someone who's actually done some FW come in and rip this guy apart? I'd do it myself, but I lack FW experiance.

I lolled.






Disclaimer: 0 phucks were given in the reading of this OP

I lolled when I read that you think I care about a fair fight. I always roll with 40 dudes. It's the best way to roll.

FW does indeed involve PvP, but the key premise behind FW is to claim and hold terrain. It's just like a "capture and hold" type of game that you see in first-person shooters like Tribes: Ascension. The difference is that there are dozens of "capture and hold" systems. This means that folks can spread out and capture outposts by themselves. This fight for terrain is indeed a form of PVP. As it is, there's little incentive towards forming up into massive fleets and duking it in a Napoleonic or U.S. Revolutionary War type fight, where ships just form up in groups and shoot each other. Additionally, as a lot of FW players are new, they are frequently capping minor outposts in quick T1 frigates, and not prepared for a 1v1 against an experienced player, who happens to be in a tricked-out faction or T2 ship. Every once in a while, you may be able to catch a player by surprise and score a kill. However, if you want kills more frequently, you can always set up a pirate corp and war-dec small newbie corps (seems like a successful option for some folks). Or, you can join RvB. And those all still leave the option of suicide ganking barges and exhumers in high-sec.

Bottom-line, FW, in regards to PvP, is just fine. It just doesn't meet YOUR definition of PvP.

The 'blob/OP ship effect' you are complaining about transcends FW; FW isn't broken, what you are experiencing is the essence of EVE gameplay.

Dying and losing your ship carries tremendous weight in EVE, no one wants to lose their hard-earned isk and shiney ships/modules. That's why people blob up. That's why people fight 1v1 in OP ships. It is to give themselves a higher probability of surviving/leaving you wrecked.

TL;DR the fault isn't with FW. It's the nature of EVE for people to avoid losing ships.

DEAL WITH IT

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*grins*
Where to start... where to start...


Grreeaaaaaaat... beginning with accusations, assumptions, insults, and no humor. Well... allow me to introduce you to the F&I boards. Those that troll/lurk/post here are generally a cranky bunch and don't take too well to ummm... "people"... such as yourself.

To begin... no one believes that Faction Warfare is "A-OK." There are things that even seasoned FW pilots believe are "not working properly." But you have to put things in perspective. ANY and ALL features or mechanics have their flaws. What keeps any participant in a particular feature/mechanic going is when the interest in a particular activity outweighs the "flaws." In the case of FW... well... we all have our reasons. But that's for another thread.


FW is not an "alternative style" of PvP. It merely lifts up some "restrictions" and places new ones upon you. Beyond that, the mechanics for how people fight remain unchanged.



Because it's human nature to be skittish... especially when losing means you suffer economically. It's also human nature to band together with others possessing the same common interest... to enhance each others' overall strength and odds of success.

As for staying... if you're losing... and losing hurts... why would you stay and die?


Define "PvP." Because I see that as a VERY broad term.
If you meant to say "a good fight" then yes... I will concede that it is indeed rare to find such a thing. When it does happen though... mother of god is it epic!
If you meant to say "a fair fight" then all I can do is laugh.... because EVE wasn't designed to be fair. EVE was designed such that you find an advantage or weakness and use it against your opponent before he uses it against you.


Yes and no.

I say "yes" because funding PvP in general is generally an expensive endeavor for anyone, even veterans... especially if a person has a "taste" for expensive gear and/or roles that require the use of specialty ships (*guilty*).

I say "no" because a newbie is largely limited to T1 ships and equipment... and the roles they can perform (which are not to be underestimated). More than that... a newbie that attaches him or herself to a veteran (or a "good" corp) will usually find themselves gaining ISK that will more than cover the losses he/she will incur after insurance is factored in (this can be done through "corp insurance programs" or by doing missions collectively).