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Petition to CCP to dissolve the ISD team

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Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2012-06-26 10:52:05 UTC
Jason Auralis wrote:
Desert Ice78 wrote:
**** posting is **** posting.

What was going on last night was as pathetic as hi-sec (fail) pvp; people were activally trying to get every thread on the first page of GD locked.

Go gank a hulk or something.....


If we all did that then the only thing on the front page GD would be hulk pilots demanding better protections in empire.


Instead, we have you demanding better protection here. I'm not sure which I find more annoying.
Jason Auralis
The Marshall Group
#102 - 2012-06-26 10:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Auralis
Ghost Xray wrote:
Jason Auralis wrote:
Putting volunteers whom you select from the community between yourself and the community with no real notice has to your selection ideologies makes for alot of questions about those volunteers and what their real purpose is.


Jesus dude. I know it's EvE and all, but are you suggesting these guys are infiltrating the ISD and planning to take over EvE-O?

Now that I think about it, it sounds like something the Goons would do. You may be onto something here.


Its funny how they keep reiterating that they are eve-players. Like that should make us all feel better given then lack of anything beyond basic requirements and a few paragraphs in a wiki.



Ghost Xray wrote:
Jason Auralis wrote:
Desert Ice78 wrote:
**** posting is **** posting.

What was going on last night was as pathetic as hi-sec (fail) pvp; people were activally trying to get every thread on the first page of GD locked.

Go gank a hulk or something.....


If we all did that then the only thing on the front page GD would be hulk pilots demanding better protections in empire.


Instead, we have you demanding better protection here. I'm not sure which I find more annoying.


The whole point of this is to determine what sort of protections the community wants. If CCP wants its forum white washed then thats up to them, but until they post exactly what they want then its up for us to debate.

"Could I request that ISD please lock my shirt into my trousers?" - Lilliana Stelles 2012.06.25 Never forget.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#103 - 2012-06-26 10:53:40 UTC
YES. Please dissolve the forum team. I have seen perfectly good threads with real conversation get locked for absolutely no good reason. They have no idea what they're doing and they do not belong here, at least not with any power to do anything.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#104 - 2012-06-26 10:54:40 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
The whole issue sounds to me less like one of moderation and more like one of ego.

I get the impression that a (limited) number of ISD forum mods have decided that rather than trying to manage and moderate the usual douchebaggery and annoyance that you usually find on forums, they have instead gone full tyrant and set out to crush all resistance to their authority.

You can get away with that, but only if you're respected by the majority of the people. At this point it's fair to say the ISD has probably gone too far and lost the support of a large number of those which would typically agree with them.
I always used to say to moderators who wanted to have a crackdown something along the lines of, "You can only do it for so long, but the second you ease up from lack of energy, the need to sleep or you are overwhelmed you've just become inconsistent. And that is probably worse than the problem you were trying to solve."
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-06-26 10:58:25 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:


Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder Cry


What happend to 'Eve is a cold harsh universe'?


The preamble which I just have quoted is really old and not new at all. EVE Online is a cold and harsh universe - and that is good.

Our forums however are governed by our forum rules - and that is good too.



apparently not five trillion isk harsh ^____________^
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2012-06-26 11:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
pussnheels wrote:
isn t this a bit over the top
just about every large gaming company is using volunteers to moderate their forums

.... and the official forums of just about any other MMO on the market are not worth reading.

for eve a lot of the discussion has stayed on the official forums for an amazingly long time.

sure RPers have chatsubo & backstage, null-sec has kugu and fhc may be the best place if you are looking for ship fittings and bittervets, ...

.... but on the whole a huge part of the discussion still takes place on eve-o where moderators have traditionally respected the individual style of each subforum (e.g. CAOD vs C&P vs MD vs GD vs ... each of the forum sections has a different tradition to what degree and how consistently the forum rules are enforced).

Putting pressure on these communities to migrate to 3rd party sites does imho no service to the overall eve community - much nicer when players have one place to go to and the different sub-communities have opportunity to intermingle a bit.

.
Fenella
Dangermouse Inc.
#107 - 2012-06-26 11:02:14 UTC
People that can't cope with living within the loose constaints of a forum moderated by individuals with the freedom to apply their own judgement as and when they deem fit should GTFO.

There are millions of other forums in the web to troll your rubbish on that are completely unmoderated and a complete ****fest, go there.

It's not your god given right to be able to post here. People arn't banned often enough.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#108 - 2012-06-26 11:05:50 UTC
Fenella wrote:
People that can't cope with living within the loose constaints of a forum moderated by individuals with the freedom to apply their own judgement as and when they deem fit should GTFO.

There are millions of other forums in the web to troll your rubbish on that are completely unmoderated and a complete ****fest, go there.

It's not your god given right to be able to post here. People arn't banned often enough.


Who the fudge-sicle-eatin'-pizza-chicken-lovin' crap ARE you?
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-06-26 11:05:52 UTC
Face it, your posts may not be the hugely creative works of beauty you think they are.

Entitled tears = best tears
Maledictum Aideron
In Praise of Bacchus
#110 - 2012-06-26 11:14:49 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Face it, your posts may not be the hugely creative works of beauty you think they are.

Entitled tears = best tears


Bahahahaha!
Fenella
Dangermouse Inc.
#111 - 2012-06-26 11:16:35 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Fenella wrote:
People that can't cope with living within the loose constaints of a forum moderated by individuals with the freedom to apply their own judgement as and when they deem fit should GTFO.

There are millions of other forums in the web to troll your rubbish on that are completely unmoderated and a complete ****fest, go there.

It's not your god given right to be able to post here. People arn't banned often enough.


Who the fudge-sicle-eatin'-pizza-chicken-lovin' crap ARE you?


A total nobody, same as everyone else here.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-06-26 11:17:27 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
While forum moderation discussions as per our forum rules not allowed on our forums, we of course allow and welcome constructive feedback and suggestions of how to improve our CCL program.

Forum moderation discussion for example would be discussing why a thread was locked, why a post was edited or why some moderator performed a specific action etc. If you have questions about specific moderation actions, the only proper way for asking questions is to file a petition.

Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators.

Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder Cry


Well sorry but somehow I can agree with Morganta, for some is not about moderation but wizzard hunting and some threads even thou not ultra interesting about CCP and their employees or about the game it self, a part of the community takes part to that game and have some fun together.

I mean c'mon, makes years the nerd guy posts crap threads at least once per week when it's not once per day, and it's only one example, there are dozens of them. Some trolling is fun when it's nicely done in the appropriate manner, insulting threads/answers are there by hundreds and don't see those ban or thread lock.

Just close forum, easier and simple to tell the hole community liking to join here and spend a couple min sharing stuff with new players or just enoying /tount each other for fun, gfto.

brb
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-06-26 11:26:57 UTC
While I don't really care about this in the same way that many in this thread do, I can point out specific examples of ISD not knowing what it is they're doing.......

Active threads that have been in GD since Incarna with +100 pages getting moved to OOPE. Regardless if those threads weren't what CCP considered GD material, they're part of it now. And everyone knows OOPE is a death sentence to a thread.

When something like that occurs CCP really needs to ask 3 questions, 1) Have we given ISD enough training to do the job & 2) If we have, then do these ISD have a clue & 3) If they don't, maybe we should find people who "get it"?

Don't ban me, bro!
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#114 - 2012-06-26 11:28:35 UTC
Ghost Xray wrote:
Jason Auralis wrote:
Putting volunteers whom you select from the community between yourself and the community with no real notice has to your selection ideologies makes for alot of questions about those volunteers and what their real purpose is.


Jesus dude. I know it's EvE and all, but are you suggesting these guys are infiltrating the ISD and planning to take over EvE-O?

Now that I think about it, it sounds like something the Goons would do. You may be onto something here.


No. Goons would just make you think they were doing it, then not actually do it, because moderating this forum is too much effort for them.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
SmashTech
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-06-26 11:32:16 UTC
Moderating forums is too much for for a member of Goonswarm?
Shirakus
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-06-26 11:36:19 UTC
Morganta wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Jason Marshall wrote:
recreated


I'd be fine with not. It's still the type of people who Volunteer at a For-Profit


I'm kind of wanting to know if they are paying customers or PLEXers

kind of silly letting free play types run your income stream off to another game


People who pay with PLEX are paying customers to, they just pay with someone elses money. In the end, CCP get the same amount of money per account from them to.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#117 - 2012-06-26 11:38:47 UTC
Im also opening a petition about this issue.

The Tears Must Flow
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2012-06-26 11:42:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
...moderating a forum is already part of metagaming as it seems...

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
#119 - 2012-06-26 11:47:24 UTC
I don't see a problem with the moderation. So far it's fine. However I would ban those idiots who are opening useless threads over and over. Evil
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#120 - 2012-06-26 11:48:42 UTC
SmashTech wrote:
Moderating forums is too much for for a member of Goonswarm?


Moderating forums? No. Moderating the eve-o forums? Oh god yes.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]